Originally Posted by: synchronizer

Originally Posted by: Tralen

Originally Posted by: synchronizer

What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?

As I understand, the reasoning behind opting for the cloud is exactly to avoid this situation. If the license is saved on the cloud, it doesn't need to be recovered.

I see.

Also, how easy is it to move between computers? It's useful to be able to run things on one computer at a time without having to transfer things manually.

I don't know if iLok works this way, but for other software that I use with cloud licenses, I just have to login with my email/password on the other machine (assuming the program is already installed, of course).

Originally Posted by: JBuck

I'm Pretty sure that iLok will check the licence/connection every 3 or so minutes.

Thanks. With the flaky connections I sometimes have, barely workable and a definite no-go if in the middle of, say, long playback. Oh well, it seems it's going to be an iLok dongle replacing eLicenser one for me then.

To replace Vienna Protection Plan on an iLok you will have to get it covered with Zero Downtime ZDT AND make absolutely sure to enable Theft/Loss Coverage for it!

ZDT without TLC does not provide you with permanent replacement licenses, you just get short lived temporary licenses which allow you to continue and buy you time to contact each manufacturer and apply for RMA or plead / pay for replacement licenses.

A big plus of Zero Downtime with Theft/Loss Coverage enabled is that it covers all licenses from all manufacturers on a single iLock.

I still plan to add a Vienna Protection Plan for iLok if that becomes available. 

Activating TLC (Theft/Loss Coverage) on an iLok means to my understanding that all licenses on the iLok become temporary for 90 days from the last time the driver can contact the server while the iLok is connected. So if an iLok is stolen or abused it will only function for 90 days, after which the licences expire until they are re-activated by connecting to the server. This reassurance for the vendors allows Pace to issue new permanent licences to you, in addition to the short lived temporary licenses you get from ZDT (Zero Downtime) alone.

Edit: seems that I misinterpreted the technical details, see next post by @musicman691c or the docs. Still make sure TLC is on and let Pace's servers see your covered iLock before the 90 days pass.

@musicman691c got it already well explained (quote below), and the two iLock method is really a good point. You can buy ZDT and enable TLC on the second iLok when needed (before transferring licenses on it), but it is a good idea to have a second one ready. Note that you have to re-buy ZDT for the new dongle after loss anyway.

Originally Posted by: musicman691c

There's nothing on the iLok site that a new dongle requires brand new ZDT/TLC. ZDT/TLC is completely optional for one's ilok. The new iLok is NOT subject to any old 90 day cycle. You may be confused in that each iLok has to have it's own ZDT (if you want it to). You don't have to have ZDT on a new/replacement iLok. An old iLok's ZDT does not carry over to a new iLok. Each iLok is a separate entity.

For Instance I have two iLoks. Each has their own ZDT setup. I don't have to have ZDT on the second iLok but I choose to be safe and have both covered. That way if I have an iLok that seems to be flaky I can move the licenses over to the other one with no problem.I've been dealing with iLoks for almost a decade now and know what's what

I prefer a dongle over a single activation on a computer, as it allows me to quickly move all my licenses to a different computer, there and back again, as many times as I please (of course the same is true for a cloud license).

If a manufacturer offers more than a single activation and uses either iLok or eLicenser I always put at least one on a dongle.

In my experience internet access is more likely to fail than computers, which in turn are more likely to fail than dongles. This is even more pronounced in live situations. If a computer becomes irresponsible then it can be difficult to quickly get replacement for computer activated licenses.

Both computers and dongles can be stolen, but dongles are much more likely to become lost. Theft/Loss Coverage and Vienna Protection Plan took the scare out of stolen or defect dongles or computers from me.

However, it would be nice if I needed only a single dongle used by all manufacturers.

(I'd love if Steinberg and Arturia would offer to use iLok as an alternative.)

Especially for Vienna products it would also be very helpful if individual licences of a single dongle could be used by different computers on the LAN using some sort of license server. This way there is no need to distribute the licenses between multiple dongles when using different computers for various instruments. It would also make ZDT coverage cheaper.

PS:

I hope we get iLok licensing before my Vienna Protection Plan for the eLicenser expires.

PS2:

I just got a new USB-C Gen-3 iLok, bought ZDT coverage for it and in the iLok License Manager simply selected all licences of the connected Gen-2 iLok and dragged them on the new one - the transfer of 28 activations completed in half a minute.

Thank you for the clarification. So I mixed that up some.

Ben,

Any update on the iLok move ETA?

Cordially,

Tunai

This is great news! Can't wait for this. Just got the new MacBook Pro so one less dongle is a good thing :)

Originally Posted by: Paul

1) You don't have to decativate your eLicenser licenses. You CAN use both at the same time. Great, right?

So does that mean we're getting two licences for every product we own? i.e. keep my main PC on eLicenser and my laptop on iLok Cloud?

I've become a USB license-dongle convert!

I use my iMac as a dual-boot system and have various machine-based licensing systems. It appears these licensing systems and a lot of my other 3rd party software insist on treating my two boot drives as two different "computers". This has led to a lot of inconveniences - and serious issues in the case of Waves and CodeMeter licensing,

And yet in the midst of all these asinine problems involved in dual-booting, I've been able to rely upon two things without the slightest fuss or bother:- VSL licensing, and the VSL location databases for VI and Synchron sample libraries (spread across the 2 boot drives plus another drive).

So I'll be going for the iLok dongle when the time comes. Even if the iLok Cloud wasn't so tyrannical I'd still prefer the dongle. (I have plenty of powered USB ports thanks to my big Sabrent hub.) All I ask is that the iLok system provides me with the same totally hassle-free and dependable service as my eLicense system.

Never ever thought I'd be a dongle fan!

Hi Paul,

During the purchase  process there's an option to buy an eLisencer too. Just the thing to bring the purchase up a little to qualify to use a voucher. But there's no reason to be buying more eLisncers. Please consider offering the purchase of an iLok dongle as an alternative.

Thanks!

Right, so the cloud is not very useful then... Especially on WiFi.