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Last post Sun, Jun 02 2019 by centillion, 38 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jun 06 2017 12:42
by JTC
Joined on Mon, Feb 28 2011, Posts 15

It would excellent to have VEP nativly support the Komplete Kontrol-S keyboard light up feature!

Are there any chances for this thing being implemented in any future?

Thanks!

Posted on Tue, Jun 06 2017 17:14
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12270

Hello JTC, 

Unfortunately the trouble here is that multiple hosts make this feature hard to use (Sequencer => VE PRO => KK host), but I hope that I will hear from my colleagues at Kontakt soon. 

Maybe we find a way to implement it, but I don't think the chances are high..,

Best,
Paul 

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jun 07 2017 03:59
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 68

Hello Paul

It will be great if you could offer this just at the VI PRO level when you select the track in VE PRO

Logic pro supports NKS

A lot of  libsplayed by K5 support NKS (see link)

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keyboards/komplete-kontrol-s-series/nks/nks-partners/

Thanks

RLD

Posted on Wed, Jun 07 2017 07:03
by JTC
Joined on Mon, Feb 28 2011, Posts 15

Thanks Paul for your replay! Indeed I can imagine it's a complicated route. But since Kontakt and VEP are worldwide standards in music production maybe there's some workaround to make things work together. 

Holding thumbs!

Posted on Sun, Jun 11 2017 23:44
by Janicek
Joined on Wed, Aug 01 2012, Posts 57

Thing is Komplete Kontrol does kind of work in VEP. I can get multiple instances of VEP with Komplete Kontrol inside to work.

The main problem is that Track Focus gets broken.

When you host Komplete Kontrol directly inside a DAW, changing tracks in the DAW updates the Komplete Kontrol controller keyboard with the Light Guide and Controls changing to the next focused instrument.

Granted its only a few DAWs that have this feature mainly Logic, Cubase and Digital Performer I think.

However you can only use Komplete Kontrol on the local VEP server not on any slave machines as the hardware must be connected directly to the same machine as the software is hosted.

I did try to load VEP server as a plugin inside Komplete Kontrol in the DAW and load Kontakt instruments inside the VEP Instance. It connects up but does not pass any Controls or Lightguide.

Posted on Mon, Jun 12 2017 04:04
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 68

Janicek ,

VSL has to mofify VI PRO to be compatible with NKS

VSL must send the keyboard Lightguide, each control names and number..... to the Komplete Kontrol

it's a year that users are asking that VSL supports NKS, but apparently VSL does not want to support NKS ! maybe one day they will change there mind.

More users asking  for the NKS support, more there is chance that we will have it,   may be in 2100  LOL

 

IT WILL BE  GREAT TO HAVE NKS, this will help a lot to use VSL live  and bring more opportunity to sell more VSL libs

Posted on Mon, Jun 12 2017 09:31
by Janicek
Joined on Wed, Aug 01 2012, Posts 57

Actually VEP is already compatible with NKS. A single instance of Komplete Kontrol loads in VEP fine and there is full communication with the keyboard.

However for the Komplete Kontrol software to communicate fully with the Hardware requires a plugin inside the DAW that from what I can see uses a communication similar to a Control Surface and USB MIDI.

Because of this, using it inside VEP on a server, means there is no feedback between DAW and Komplete Kontrol so changing tracks doesnt work automatically. The only way to do this is by manually telling the Hardware to use a different Komplete Kontrol instance.

The only way I could see it working is if you could load VEP inside an instance of Komplete Kontrol in the DAW and then connect to a Kontakt instance in VEP. But having tried this, there does not seem to be any feedback to the Hardware.

Posted on Mon, Jul 24 2017 17:06
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 121

Hi Janicek,

 

could you please clarify this?

1. I want to use Logic on Macosx DAW and VEP on another Windows machine.

2. I want to add  5 Instances  in VEP 

3. In eaach of those instances I want to add one Komplete Control and in each of those 5 Komplete Controls to open Kontakt (or any other)

4. Keyboard will be connected to my DAW.

I am going to buy the Kontrol-S Keyboard but tell me WILL IT WORK? Or any solution? (I googled, there were some mode switching of the keyboard necessary?)

PLEASE IT IS URGENT FOR ME

 

 

Originally Posted by: Janicek Go to Quoted Post

Actually VEP is already compatible with NKS. A single instance of Komplete Kontrol loads in VEP fine and there is full communication with the keyboard.

Posted on Mon, Jul 24 2017 17:59
by Janicek
Joined on Wed, Aug 01 2012, Posts 57

No it will not work unfortunately. Komplete Kontrol only works on the computer connected to the Keyboard.

Posted on Mon, Jul 24 2017 19:17
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 121

Janicek thank you so much!

And what if I connect the keyaboard to  my Windows VEP machine? WIll it change something? I never saw any purpose to do it but obviously it is possible to make a long USB cable and connect.

Will I see the Kontakt controls on the keyboard? Will I be able to record to my host this way? The VEP machine does not have sound, it has only the internet

Posted on Mon, Jul 24 2017 19:27
by Janicek
Joined on Wed, Aug 01 2012, Posts 57

Doubt it will work, have not tried it. But until either NI or VSL work together to develop a version of VEP that supports Komplete Kontrol, basically an NKS compatible version of the VEP server plugin I am afraid its not going to work.

Posted on Mon, Jul 24 2017 19:50
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 121

Oh so we need to ask until they do it...

So only midi mode with CC does work?

And what did you mean by: "Originally Posted by: Janicek Go to Quoted Post  ?? Does it work or not?


 

Actually VEP is already compatible with NKS. A single instance of Komplete Kontrol loads in VEP fine and there is full communication with the keyboard.


Posted on Tue, Jul 25 2017 04:25
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 68

VSL has to modify VI and VE to receive and send NKS commands to the KK 

This is the list of plug-ins compatible with NKS :

Plug-ins compatible with NKS

So far VSL is not in the list ! may be tomorow ;)

Posted on Tue, Jul 25 2017 08:44
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 121
VSL. WHEN??? People demand
Posted on Mon, Jul 31 2017 17:23
by defcon8
Joined on Fri, Dec 04 2015, The Netherlands, Posts 3

+1 !! Need lightguide! ASAP!!!

Posted on Tue, Aug 01 2017 02:29
by msanioura
Joined on Wed, Aug 03 2016, Posts 23

+1. Actually to my surprise, unlike instrument player and VI Pro, Vienna Imperial works out of the box with Komplete Kontrol; i.e. All CC's work , parameters can be controlled with knobs, labels are laid out Correctly, again out of the box. I have an S-88.

Posted on Tue, Aug 01 2017 07:45
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 121
I have only VSL orchestra that was in the bundle with VEP.

So can someone confirm how it is? I cannot see any labels of faders in my S61 NI keyboard. while loading any instrument in VEP
Posted on Wed, Aug 02 2017 08:48
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 68

You should read my previous posts !

Posted on Wed, Aug 02 2017 23:40
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 121

I am asking about Vienna Ensemble Pro not about Vienna Symophonic LIbrary

Posted on Thu, Aug 03 2017 00:18
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 68

> I am asking about Vienna Ensemble Pro not about Vienna Symophonic LIbrary

VSL = VI/VI PRO + VE,/VE PRO

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