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Recorders - a beautiful addition to the orchestra
Last post Mon, Jan 07 2013 by Philippe BAYLAC, 23 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Dec 12 2012 20:04
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

I have to report that I was doing several tracks using another library's recorders, which were not bad, but when I switched to the new VSL recorders it blew me away.  Suddenly, the merely passable line was a fabulous espressivo musical sound.  The wonderful playing on this is truly inspiring, and I had to add more recorder parts as a result! 

The soprano has an amazing high register, the alto and tenor a warm rich sound, and the bass is a deep mysterious timbre I've never heard before, reminding me of the great VSL bass flute.  These can be used not only in baroque or medieval period sound, but also for really evocative film scoring.   And the crossfading from vibrato to non vibrato, which Herb suggested to me, is absolutely perfect and adds an expressive touch.  This is another great example of the artistic sound that VSL has created over and over again. 

Posted on Wed, Dec 12 2012 20:26
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

Can you please explain what Herb told you about the crossfading if you have a moment?  I would love to hear about it!  Or did you simply put the non vibrato in cell 1 and then put vibrato in the adjacent cell and then enable the crossfade button?  This is a great trick but doesn't work well on all instruments.

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Posted on Wed, Dec 12 2012 23:49
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

You place a vibrato in one slot, a non-vibrato in the next one horizontally, enable the crossfade "X" then set in the control map area a controller for slot crossfade.  A perfect crossfade without phasing can be done on these instruments.  It adds a subtle but very natural expression.

Posted on Thu, Dec 13 2012 01:31
by Philippe BAYLAC
Joined on Thu, Sep 01 2011, France, Posts 341

Hi,

VSL recorders sounds really great, but i have one (big) regret : there is no sopranino recorder ! Crying

Best

Philippe

Posted on Sat, Dec 15 2012 16:11
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740

Hi

Maybe the piccolo could be a replacement?

It also comes with lyric legatos...

Beat

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at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sat, Dec 15 2012 17:19
by Holgmeister
Joined on Fri, Feb 13 2004, Gross Zimmern, Posts 148

 Why oh Why is this most horrible of all instruments returning to an orchestra?

In school, as kids in 1st grade, we where tortured with recorder lessons - they forced you to buy one, go to lesson and where forced to blow some tunes, as good as it gets. . At christmas, all proud parent came and watched us trying to hit the same note at the same time and declare it as christmas carroll.

sigh - the final Hobbit score will probably now with recorder sections instead of strings.

I was too dumb anyway for recorders - they gave me the triangle after my first lesson.

just my lonely opinion..

hs

Orchestral Noise and Magick
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Posted on Sat, Dec 15 2012 18:02
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740
Holgmeister wrote:
 Why oh Why is this most horrible of all instruments returning to an orchestra?

Hallo Holgermeister

(Hoffe dein Beitrag sei nicht ganz so ernst gemeint...)

Yes, unfortunately it was and still is a "must" for thousands of children.

I also had to learn this instrument before my father decided that it's time for the violin when I was 12.

Later on I was happy that I played the Recorder once because I learnd to play the Saxophone.

It has nearly the same finger placing of a recorder...

Beside its name "Speuzchnebel" (= spit stick) in my language it can give an orchestra some freshness...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-K2avGLgc  (hope you are able to see the youtube video within your country)

Beat

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Posted on Sat, Dec 15 2012 18:33
by Holgmeister
Joined on Fri, Feb 13 2004, Gross Zimmern, Posts 148

 Hi Beat,

(no, I was not really serious with my posting).

Kid's music education is one thing - in our family it was a 2:1 (my brother and my sister became famous Jazz musicians, I became the computer geek)

That's why I am doing only electronic music - my late revenge...

But seriously: of course you are right.. I am badly missing a serious education in score reading and piano playing now..

Regards

Holger

P.S. I still don't like the sound of recorders  ;-)

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Symphonic Cube, Piano, Prepared Piano and MIR24
Posted on Sat, Dec 15 2012 19:19
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

Holgmeister:

That post - considering the  inspiring musicality of the virtuosic performer who recorded these samples - is extremely irritating.

I'm surprised you didn't add  "Why oh why do we have to have these violins in the orchestra?  I can't stand the way those elementary students screech on them." That would make the same sense as your post. 

Posted on Sat, Dec 15 2012 20:06
by Holgmeister
Joined on Fri, Feb 13 2004, Gross Zimmern, Posts 148

Sorry if I offended someone - my post was considered a fun opinion. Maybe my sense of  joke was lost in translation.

Of course the VSL product is superb, as well as the beautiful instruments - I adore the build of these ancient wooden forms..This was by no means a critique of the VSL library. I just have my childish opinion about the nature of the sound - that is all. .

I hope, no one was harmed by my attack of the recorders..

cheers

Holger

Orchestral Noise and Magick
Symphonic Cube, Piano, Prepared Piano and MIR24
Posted on Sat, Dec 15 2012 21:28
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1058

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Posted on Mon, Dec 17 2012 03:06
by Vanhapolle
Joined on Wed, Apr 14 2010, Posts 89
Holgmeister wrote:

 Hi Beat,

(no, I was not really serious with my posting).

Kid's music education is one thing - in our family it was a 2:1 (my brother and my sister became famous Jazz musicians, I became the computer geek)

That's why I am doing only electronic music - my late revenge...

But seriously: of course you are right.. I am badly missing a serious education in score reading and piano playing now..

Regards

Holger

P.S. I still don't like the sound of recorders  ;-)



To me recorder sound depends who plays and how good recorder. btw applies all sound sources. to me recorder maybe never go list what i need my samplesetup.
Posted on Tue, Dec 18 2012 03:07
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

Here is a piece for the VSL recorders -

I was traveling through a forest near Mount Shasta California, and wanted to compose something for it.  It was a beautiful tranquil place, with very old trees in vast, ancient woods that surrounded the road in all directions.  This place is very tranquil and quiet. So I thought of using the Mystic Spaces which is an incredibly beautiful reverb, and these wonderful recorders to try and get that feeling of the forest echoes and sounds of nature coming out of the distance.   

http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=1&DemoID=5995

Posted on Tue, Dec 18 2012 10:46
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
William wrote:

Here is a piece for the VSL recorders -

I was traveling through a forest near Mount Shasta California, and wanted to compose something for it.  It was a beautiful tranquil place, with very old trees in vast, ancient woods that surrounded the road in all directions.  This place is very tranquil and quiet. So I thought of using the Mystic Spaces which is an incredibly beautiful reverb, and these wonderful recorders to try and get that feeling of the forest echoes and sounds of nature coming out of the distance.   

http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=1&DemoID=5995

Wow! Apaches!!!!!!! Flatheads!!!!!!

Or could it be medieval persons. 

Loads and loads of reverb there. The recorder is an instrument that definitely reminds me of early school days and is somewhat forgotten in this listeners orchestral template. I must look into that. Nice sound there Billy. I hope you took photos of the area and get them over asap.

Posted on Tue, Dec 18 2012 18:48
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1076

Thankfully the only positive aspect of the Greek musical education system is that it doesn't traumatize schoolchildren by excessive recorder practice. Actually there is no instrumental practice whatsoever.... So I had to buy a recorder for myself whne I was little, and tinker with it. I must say I got bored of it pretty quickly.

Be that as it may, in small doses it is a very welcome and evocative instrument - like in this track. I don't think I have ever encountered romantic, or 20th century-sequenza-like virtuosic writng for this instrument. Perhaps happily. It does seem however that the recorder is inextricably linked with, and shackled by Renaissance, or Renaissance-like aesthetics, probably due to its stubborn stereotypical use in such, as well as Medieval movies' soundtracks. It is a pity, since the instrument family seems to be able to carry melodies and emotions beyond what simple modal writing can offer.

I enjoyed this highly reverberated track, the recorder lending itself very aptly to William's favourite, sorrowful kind of melodic writing, and I most enjoyed the Herrmannesque harp writing towards the end.

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Posted on Thu, Dec 20 2012 18:37
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

 Herrmannesque? How did that happen?

Posted on Fri, Dec 21 2012 10:59
by Dar32
Joined on Fri, May 20 2005, USA, Posts 373

Enjoyed that william as did guy's double concertino for flutes. Both very sensous and educational. ∞

Posted on Fri, Dec 21 2012 22:37
by Philippe BAYLAC
Joined on Thu, Sep 01 2011, France, Posts 341

Very beautiful and magic piece William. Bravo !

Best

Phil

Posted on Sat, Dec 22 2012 01:50
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

Thanks Philippe, Dar, Errikos and Paul.   All fine members of various warring barbarian tribes.    Of course Errikos woud insist that the Franconian (Philippe), the Angle (Paul) and the Emorite (Dar) were the barbarians, gibbering "Bar-Bar-Bar-Bar.." incomprehensibly to his sarcastic apprehension.  But the debased Modernist-Spartan has to admit that he is just as warlike as any of his detested barbarian New-Horde-members. 

Posted on Sat, Dec 22 2012 11:03
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7763

 Errrrr .... wut?!? 8-] .... answers like these are one of the reasons why I love this forum. ;-)

BTW - beautiful music, William! Congratulations.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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