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Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2007 00:15
by vinco
Joined on Fri, Apr 27 2007, Posts 56

Hi guys,

do you know any good books or web links where I could find information about structuring an arrangement and about music forms in general?

Thanks,

Vincent 

Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2007 14:19
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

 This is the published curriculum from the conservatory where I served my sentence:

"Formenlehre der Musik"

Lemacher-Schroeder

1962 Musikverlag Hans Gehrig, Köln/Cologne

English translation:

"Musical Form"

1967 Belwin-Mills Publ. Corp.

MCA Music New York

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Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2007 08:01
by PoppaJOL
Joined on Thu, Nov 17 2005, Las Vegas, Nevada USA, Posts 153
There's really a very wide selection of books on these subjects ranging from very basic to incomprehensibly complex. Here are just a few."Basic Forms in Music" Charles W. Walton.
"Structure and Style" : The Analysis of Musical Forms" Leon Stein.
"The Serious Composer" " series and others by Percy Goetschius: http://books.google.com/...&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title.
The Berklee Press "Arranging" Series: (go to berkleepress.com and search composition and/or arranging)
"Jazz Composition & Orchestration" " William Russo.
Then there's the whole standard list of Arranging authors that have been around and used by everyone forever including: Russell Garcia, Don Sebesky, Dick Grove, Henry Mancini, Nelson Riddle, Sammy Nestico. Each of these authors has written a study text on arranging whcih you can easily find..

I didn't include exmples of books on Orchestration because: a) you didn't ask about that and b) they are easy to find..

Hope this helps..

Be Well,.
Jimmy.
Any tone or group of tones can preceed, succeed or sound simultaneously with any other... inspired by V. Persichetti - 20th Century Harmony
Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2007 08:17
by vinco
Joined on Fri, Apr 27 2007, Posts 56

Thanks for your recommendations!

I already read a few of those and I'm going to look for the other ones.

I'm mainly interested in knowing how to better structuring my pieces. That's why I'm looking for some books about forms and not orchestration.

Thanks again for your help,

Vincent 

Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2007 08:23
by PoppaJOL
Joined on Thu, Nov 17 2005, Las Vegas, Nevada USA, Posts 153

Vincent

You're welcome. If you're referring to structure in "classical" or serious music, the books by Goetschius give a good overview of all the standard forms and how they are put together.

Be Well,

Jimmy
Any tone or group of tones can preceed, succeed or sound simultaneously with any other... inspired by V. Persichetti - 20th Century Harmony
Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2007 13:06
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

Vincent,

 

Here an old, copyright free PDF of a well known "Musical Form" book. The content of this book follows the typical curriculum as teached at every music academy. Starting with temporal structures like metre, foot, metric structure. Then the form constituents like motive and theme etc..

Name: Musical Form_by Ebenezer Prout_1893 Augener London.pdf

278 pages, 32MB

 

Download link:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/e0qbni

 

"Musical Form"

Ebenezer Prout

1893 Augener & Co, London

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Posted on Tue, Oct 02 2007 19:10
by vinco
Joined on Fri, Apr 27 2007, Posts 56
Thanks Angelo for the link.

I started reading it, it's very interesting...

Vincent
Posted on Tue, Oct 02 2007 22:19
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

You have to be critical with this old text.

 

But there is a lot of time encapsulated in this text by Prout.

He also misses to mention several genera of important musical forms.

But it is a very well suited to start with, especially when you later compare how composer from that era think about this part of the art.

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Posted on Fri, Feb 15 2008 15:26
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 668
The best reference in therme of musical form. He was my teacher at University of Montreal.

http://www.musique.umont...nel/Belkin/bk/index.html
Fred

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Posted on Sat, Feb 16 2008 05:09
by jsg
Joined on Thu, Jan 19 2006, San Francisco, CA USA, Posts 270

 I have a list of books I've worked from and read on my site:

www.jerrygerber.com/textlist.htm

Toch's "The Shaping Forces in Music" is good, so are a few others.  Good luck.

Jerry Gerber

www.jerrygerber.com

Posted on Tue, Apr 01 2008 15:18
by dreamthemes
Joined on Mon, Mar 03 2008, London, Posts 28
If you go to my myspace music page and click on my top friend R Kaye-composer,he has studied the great composers and has a book out (check his links) that could give you an insight into styles and idioms.Also check the blog on my page :"baroque-idioms and styles" for an overview of counterpoint.mypsace page


hope this helps.
Brian
Posted on Sat, Oct 22 2011 13:44
by Mayyar Namek
Joined on Wed, Jun 01 2011, Posts 27

Hello Angelo Clematide

i came to this post bcopz i'm interested in this topic also

It looks like the book is not available any more, would you please upload it again?

Thanks :)

Posted on Sat, Oct 22 2011 20:24
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

Downloadable here:

http://www.archive.org/details/15emusicalform00prouuoft

The possibly best text about structure in the sense of metre, prosody, caesurae and so on, how the old masters structured all their their symphonies in the common practice period (Klassik) in classic metre is:

"Musikalisch Rhythmik und Metrik"  (1917)

by Th. Wiehmayer

Posted on Mon, Nov 14 2011 15:00
by Mayyar Namek
Joined on Wed, Jun 01 2011, Posts 27

Thanks Angelo

Posted on Mon, Nov 14 2011 19:44
by mcelvogue
Joined on Mon, Mar 14 2011, Ireland, Posts 149
Hi,
I have been lurking around a number of threads since joining and wanted to let some of the contributors know that although the question raised has no doubt been of great help to the originator, I am also finding the answers great from a learning perspective. Thank you all for taking the time to offer suggestions. It is much appreciated.

Regards,

Tom
Posted on Thu, Dec 08 2011 01:56
by rverne10
Joined on Tue, May 26 2009, Southfield, Michigan, USA, Posts 110

Form in Tonal Music, Douglass Green is a pedagogues approach, complete, detailed, tons of examples but dense. Green assumes the reader knows a lot about music theory, a least two semesters of college level stuff under your fingers.

http://www.alibris.com/b...ic&qsort=&page=1

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Posted on Thu, Dec 08 2011 11:22
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

The curriculum in Formenlehre (Musical form) in German speaking culture (Germany, Austria, and Switzerland) at Universities and Konservatorium is the text:

"Formenlehre der Musik"

Heinrich Lemacher, Hermann Schroeder

Verlag: Volk-Verlag Gerig

http://antiquariat-lenzen.antiquariatsportal.de/bild/12158~36354AB.jpg

Posted on Thu, Dec 08 2011 11:26
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

Formenlehre der Musik

Index:

  • Arie – Nebenformen: Frühe Opernarie, Da-capo-Arie, Cavatine, Rondoarie

  • Charakterstück (auch: lyrisches Stück, Genrestück)

  • Choral – Nebenformen: Accentus, Concentus

  • Fuge – Nebenformen: Permutationsfuge, Doppelfuge, Tripelfuge, Quadrupelfuge

  • Kanon – Nebenformen: Strenger Kanon, Zirkelkanon, Spiralkanon, Rätselkanon, Proportionskanon

  • Kantate – Nebenformen:Italienische Kantate, Deutsche Kantate

  • Konzert – Nebenformen: Vokalkonzert, Instrumentalkonzert, Solokonzert, Doppelkonzert, Tripelkonzert, Sinfonia concertante, Konzert für Orchester

  • Lied – Nebenformen: Kunstlied, Volkslied, Tenorlied, Chanson, Vaudeville, Air, Ständchen

  • Madrigal – Nebenformen: Trecento-Madrigal, Solomadrigal, Konzertantes Madrigal

  • Messe – Nebenformen: Gregorianischer Choral, Requiem

  • Motette – Nebenformen: Liedmotette, Anthem, Durchimitierte Motette, Chormotette u. a.

  • Oper – Nebenformen: Opera seria, Opera buffa und Komische Oper, Grand opéra, Operette

  • Oratorium

  • Ouvertüre – Nebenformen: Sinfonia, Kanzonen-Ouvertüre, Französische Ouvertüre, Neapolitanische Opernsinfonia, Klassische Ouvertüre, Programmouvertüre, Konzertouvertüre, Schauspielouvertüre, Potpourri, Freies Opernvorspiel

  • Passion – Nebenformen: Motettische Passion, Responsoriale Passion, Oratorische Passion

  • Präludium

  • Programmmusik – Nebenformen: Tonsymbolische Dichtung, Sinfonische Dichtung

  • Rezitativ – Nebenformen: Secco-Rezitativ, Accompagnato-Rezitativ

  • Serenade – Nebenformen: Serenata, Divertimento, Notturno, Kassation, Instrumentale Serenade

  • Sonate – Nebenformen: Frühe Sonata, Klassische Sonate, Barocksonate, Kammersonate, Kirchensonate, Triosonate, Sonatine

  • Suite – Sonata da camera, Variationssuite, Klaviersuite, Ouvertüren-Suite, Ballettsuite, Tanzsuite

  • Sinfonie – Vorklassische Sinfonia, Klassische Sinfonie, Nachklassische Sinfonie

  • Tanz – Nebenformen: Pavane, Galliarde, Allemande, Courante, Chaconne, Bourrée, Sarabande, Gavotte, Siciliano, Gigue, Menuett, Polonaise, Nationaltanz (z. B. Csardas (Csárdás), Bolero, Habanera, Tango, Ländler, Galopp, Kavalkade, Cancan u. a.)

  • Variation

Posted on Thu, Dec 08 2011 11:33
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

A sensational book:

"Harmonielehre"

Diether de la Motte

Baerenreiter Verlag

ISBN-10:342330166X

https://www.baerenreiter.com/service/rechte/uebersetzungsrechte/backlist/nach-themen/musiktheorie/de-la-motte-harmonielehre/

Index.

  • Lasso - Palestrina - Lechner - Cavalieri (1600)
  • Bach - Händel - Vivaldi - Telemann (1700-1750)
  • Haydn - Mozart - Beethoven (1770-1810)
  • Schubert - Beethoven (1800-1828)
  • Schumann (1830-1850)
  • Oper (1600-1900)
  • Wagner (1857-1882)
  • Liszt (1839-1885)
  • Débussy (1900-1918)
  • Von Schönberg bis zur Gegenwart (ab 1914)
  • Zeichenerklärung - Wegweiser - Nachtrag (1992): Der Wiener Klang
  • Also available in English as translation, but costs a fortune.

    Posted on Thu, Dec 08 2011 12:25
    by Angelo Clematide
    Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

    The English translation of  "Harmonielehre"  by Diether de la Motte:

    "The Study of Harmony: A Historical Perspective"

    Jeffrey L. Prater

    Brown (William C.) Co ,U.S.; 4th Revised edition (1. October 1991) .

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