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I don't get it... VEP5 and Logic = Silence
Last post Tue, Jun 12 2012 by Cyril Blanc, 103 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Jan 05 2012 03:12
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

Any word on the ETA for the VEP update with the new multi-port feature for Logic?

Posted on Fri, Jan 06 2012 10:58
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11048

Hi,

As soon as we are through with testing. These are quite some changes, so we need to consider all parameters. 

Best,

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 06 2012 11:50
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2612

Hi Paul

Why dont you give us a beta, that will help you a lot as your Beta team left quite a few holes in VEP 5 and in MIR

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
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I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
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Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 08:43
by jbass27
Joined on Sat, Aug 06 2011, Los Angeles, Posts 11
I wish this were true. I too purchased the VEPRO 5 update almost exclusively for the event input feature. I've diligently followed the instructions in the manual and video, and wasted time scouring these forums for lack of better customer service and tech support options offered by VSL. I have an I/O utility plug in every server and corresponding event input track. It works splendidly UNTIL you make any changes in tempo. At that point event input tracks die like they have the plague, and VEPRO 5 hangs and freezes. I appreciate that programs have bugs and they take time to fix them, but can you offer any solutions other that actually work?
Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 08:54
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1716

The next update of VEPro5 will offer a solution for running multiple midi ports into one AU for Logic, by using an environment layer. Perhaps this solution might be better for you.

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 09:14
by Talino
Joined on Sat, Jul 17 2010, Posts 260
MS wrote:

The next update of VEPro5 will offer a solution for running multiple midi ports into one AU for Logic

Hmm... Sorry for being cynical, but wasn't that the sales pitch for VEP5 in the first place?

MASTER: Cubase Pro 10.0.20, iMac 27 2015 i7 4.0 (17,1) 24gb RAM, OS X 10.14.4, RME Fireface UC. SLAVE: Mac Pro 2009 Quad 2.66 (4,1), 28gb RAM, OS X 10.11.6, Vienna Ensemble Pro 7, samples on OWC Accelsior SSD.
Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 09:15
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1716

The Event Input plugin works well for a large number of hosts. Logic just happens to be an extraordinarily nonstandard AU-host.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 10:05
by Talino
Joined on Sat, Jul 17 2010, Posts 260
MS wrote:

Logic just happens to be an extraordinarily nonstandard AU-host.

I understand that. However, I also do believe that it's an application that's being used daily in more than a couple of eccentric households. Like jbass27, I didn't hesitate to pay for that feature because I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that the VSL research staff knew that.

I'm not asking for my money back because I still think that VSL sample libraries are the best in the business, and because I think that eventually some of my money will be invested in the further development of these libraries. I'll just be more careful with new VSL products next time.

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Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 10:15
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1716

I think that the new Logic environment solution that will be available *very soon*, might be your best bet. We are trying to do what we can to get around the pitfalls and bugs of Logic, so please bear with us :)

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 12:47
by moviescoring
Joined on Fri, Sep 07 2007, Lee, Posts 24

Hi MS

You said it use logic environment solution. Is it mean 'Environment Window'?

Is there something end user have to do with Envrionment setup?

If it's true... It's not a closed solution I think.

Im familiar with Logic environment setup but I'm afraid most users are not.

If possible please make more simple solution.

I know It's a really hard job to do.

It's almost make it possible with impossible thing.

Thanks

Posted on Mon, Jan 09 2012 13:40
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2612

Dont worry it is simple to make a Logic song with the Macro inside, so you use the song as it is or you import the layer that contains the VSL Macro in your song

If I use my 99 track tempate with using event input I have sometimes hangging notes.

The result I have now using 1/2 IAC and 1/2 Event input, is working quite well, it is using 2 processors in Logic instead of one, I just have the problem with the 5.0 instead of 5.1

Looks like VSL is taking too much time to read data comming from Logic or Logic take too much time to send data to VSL and it is forgetting some times  to send the "note off" messages, this is why I had sometimes hanging notes.

Spliting the trafic between IAC and Event input is a solution today, I DO NOT USE the VSL "surround instrument" to send midi to VSL, the 1st midi port is using the midi event plug-ins

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2012 01:38
by jbass27
Joined on Sat, Aug 06 2011, Los Angeles, Posts 11
That's fine, but what about in the meantime - its pretty absurd not to be able to change tempo without crashing - even when not using the event input plug (as I just discovered). You guys really missed the mark on this one. Logic is a mainstream DAW. Calling it eccentric and blaming Apple for problems with your new release is infuriating. I understand that new releases have bugs, but my patience and willingness to give you the beneift of the doubt goes out the window when I read nearly ten pages of forum threads that span a period of two months, and you're just now acknowledging that your "fix" is garbage. I honestly feel ripped off by VSL this time around, which is a shame because I was such a fan of VEPRO before.

As I said, I'm sure you'll get in figured out, but in the meantime, do you have any functional alternatives to at least prevent VEPRO 5 from hanging and crashing Logic?
Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2012 03:44
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2612

My test song is changing tempo all the time, I have no crash, it is very relyable 

You do have some probems with your configuration.

Are you sure that you have the latest version of evry thing.

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2012 08:25
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1716
moviescoring_30579 wrote:

Hi MS

You said it use logic environment solution. Is it mean 'Environment Window'?

Is there something end user have to do with Envrionment setup?

If it's true... It's not a closed solution I think.

Im familiar with Logic environment setup but I'm afraid most users are not.

If possible please make more simple solution.

I know It's a really hard job to do.

It's almost make it possible with impossible thing.

We have a limited set of tools at our disposals for overcoming the 16-channel midi limitation in Logic. We have developed the Event input plugin as such a solution, which works well for pretty much any AU host. For Logic, the solution with adding a few environment macros, is the best one possible. I would love to be a magician, but there is only so much one can do with a limited and rather buggy host.

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2012 11:45
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172
MS wrote:
We have a limited set of tools at our disposals for overcoming the 16-channel midi limitation in Logic. We have developed the Event input plugin as such a solution, which works well for pretty much any AU host. For Logic, the solution with adding a few environment macros, is the best one possible. I would love to be a magician, but there is only so much one can do with a limited and rather buggy host.

It is becuase of this I finally upgraded my copy of Cubase to 6 so I could test the waters on the last project.  I have to say it did fairly well even on my old Mac Pro and the VST3 plugin has all the ports I could need.  :)   I love Logic but despite the minor update to it the program does feel slightly abandonded or rather will slowly become perceived as entry level (and perception is 9/10ths of reality as they say bla bla bla).

Sorry rambling here I'll still be testing out the new solution when it becomes available.

Chris

Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2012 15:24
by Ashermusic
Joined on Fri, Jan 02 2009, Posts 534

Don't want  to start a DAW war here but as  the Online Coordinator for EastWest, we  get lots of reports of issues with users of Play 3 that ONLY happen with Cubase so I am not  sure that it  is fair to say Logic is any buggier, just different bugs.

Composer, Logic Pro Certified Trainer, author of "Going Pro With Logic Pro 9" & "Scoring WIth Logic Pro"
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Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2012 16:12
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

No, I understand. Different bugs are for sure...

Chris

Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2012 20:04
by jbass27
Joined on Sat, Aug 06 2011, Los Angeles, Posts 11
Yep, fully up to date. As for the event plugin issue, for me the update isn't stable even when not using the event plugin tracks as a work around to Logic's 16 track limitation. Its in any project on any tempo change. I agree that this problem is bizarre to say the least. No problems with version 4, only with version 5. I'm just curious to see if anyone else runs into this problem.
Posted on Wed, Jan 11 2012 01:13
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2612
jbass27 wrote:
Yep, fully up to date. As for the event plugin issue, for me the update isn't stable even when not using the event plugin tracks as a work around to Logic's 16 track limitation. Its in any project on any tempo change. I agree that this problem is bizarre to say the least. No problems with version 4, only with version 5. I'm just curious to see if anyone else runs into this problem.

If you want, I can have a look to your song at to try it on my configuration.

Send it to "cb dot pub at numericable dot com" (if necessary remove protected midi data..)

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Wed, Jan 11 2012 01:17
by jbass27
Joined on Sat, Aug 06 2011, Los Angeles, Posts 11
Thanks for the kind offer Cyril, unfortunately I can't send the project file as I don't own the material, its a "work for hire" gig that I'm working on. If I have a chance I'll open a new session and recreate the problem with a different cue, however, right not I've got my attention and time on rebuilding the session in version 4 so I can make a deadline.

Thanks again.
James
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