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Last post Fri, Dec 27 2013 by vyv, 3 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Dec 27 2013 17:20
by vyv
Joined on Sun, Dec 02 2012, Bristol, UK, Posts 19

Hi,

Could someone please clarify the hierarchy among the various files (presets / matrices / patches / song file / VEP project / VEP meta)? I thought I had it figured out but now I'm not sure, I seem to have to keep making the same changes over and over.

If I load a factory preset I understand  I can save it (renamed) as a user preset. But if I change (say) the order of a couple of patches in a matrix, do I have to save/rename the matrix AND the preset as separate file operations? If I change the slot x-fade settings or whether Velocity x_fade is on or off, is that saved as part of the matrix or part of the preset, or both?

And what about the song (project) file in my sequencer? Am I right in thinking that it also saves all changes to matrices and presets (though without altering the names of anything, which is confusing?

Finally, what about VE Pro files, the project and meta- files: do they include any edits to the matrices and presets within them?

Sorry if this is a rather basic question, but I have an ever-increasing load of nearly identical files and it's getting more and more bewildering. Thanks in advance

Vyv Hope-Scott

Cubase Pro 9
Win 10 Pro 64-bit
ASUS Z97A / 16 Gb RAM
Posted on Fri, Dec 27 2013 20:41
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11308

Hi, 

I´ll simply go through the questions in detail: 

vyv wrote:

If I load a factory preset I understand  I can save it (renamed) as a user preset. But if I change (say) the order of a couple of patches in a matrix, do I have to save/rename the matrix AND the preset as separate file operations?

You don´t HAVE to, but you will then have those newly saved or edited matrices available again when you start a new song. 

vyv wrote:
If I change the slot x-fade settings or whether Velocity x_fade is on or off, is that saved as part of the matrix or part of the preset, or both?

Preset. 

vyv wrote:
And what about the song (project) file in my sequencer? Am I right in thinking that it also saves all changes to matrices and presets (though without altering the names of anything, which is confusing?

The settings you used with be saved with your song (if you have not de-coupled your VE PRO instances), just in the state you left it in. 

Presets and Matrices are saved separately, within VI / VI PRO. 

I´d say, make a few simple tests, it´s pretty obvious. 

vyv wrote:
Finally, what about VE Pro files, the project and meta- files: do they include any edits to the matrices and presets within them?

Yes, vframe and mframe files contain all the information you saved, from all plug-ins within the frames. 

This is the hierarchy: 

mframe (multiple vframes)

vframe (1 VE PRO project)

Preset 

Matrix 

Patch

Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Dec 27 2013 21:33
by vyv
Joined on Sun, Dec 02 2012, Bristol, UK, Posts 19

Many thanks for this Paul. I think what has been happening is that when I've switched between sequencer projects, the song files have been using their own 'old' versions of matrices, so I've had to make the edits again in the new song.

The moral appears to be to spend a lot of time getting the template right before using it on a real piece of music, otherwise you get loads of conflicting versions.

Cheers,

Vyv Hope-Scott

Cubase Pro 9
Win 10 Pro 64-bit
ASUS Z97A / 16 Gb RAM
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