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Managing legato transition volume
Last post Fri, Jun 10 2016 by EgM, 9 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jun 07 2016 01:42
by EgM
Joined on Mon, Apr 20 2015, NB, Canada, Posts 26

Hi all,

  Big fan of VSL, I usually don't have this problem but while trying to do woodwind solo parts like Oboe and Flute2 (I use DL FrOboe/STD, and DL Flute2/STD) I keep fighting with the legato transition volumes, they're way too loud...  Is there a way through VIPro to manage this?  Tried Start offset, Advanced>Start Offset Mode and nothing seems to make a difference.

Thanks :)


Eric E. Hache
Music Composer @ http://www.gamemusic.ca
Posted on Tue, Jun 07 2016 08:17
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Are you using velocity xFade?

DG

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Posted on Tue, Jun 07 2016 10:47
by EgM
Joined on Mon, Apr 20 2015, NB, Canada, Posts 26

Originally Posted by: DG Go to Quoted Post

Are you using velocity xFade?

DG

Yep.


Eric E. Hache
Music Composer @ http://www.gamemusic.ca
Posted on Tue, Jun 07 2016 10:51
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

OK, well the legato transition volume is not a separate volume. It is part of the destination note, so you will need to pull the xFade controller down for the portion of the transition if you want it quieter. The Offset Mode is really only works for me to make the transition shorter, and I've never found it very helpful in reducing volume for the start of the sample.

Perhaps if you could post an example of what "way too loud" sounds like, so that you can get some more useful suggestions.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Tue, Jun 07 2016 11:30
by EgM
Joined on Mon, Apr 20 2015, NB, Canada, Posts 26

Thanks for the help DG, I'll try to link a passage today.   

What I mean is that as each legato note starts, you can hear the start volume being too loud.  Especially on the FrOboe, I can lower it by raising attack a little bit but of course then it's not really legato sounding.


Eric E. Hache
Music Composer @ http://www.gamemusic.ca
Posted on Thu, Jun 09 2016 10:32
by Dominique
Joined on Fri, Aug 08 2008, Posts 178

CC22 controls the transition volume. The higher cc22, the lower the transition volume. Have a look at the manual, it should be specified somewhere.

Posted on Thu, Jun 09 2016 10:39
by EgM
Joined on Mon, Apr 20 2015, NB, Canada, Posts 26

Oh?  I will check that out after work! Thanks :)

* Edit

From the manual:

Volume: CC7 Expression: CC11 Master Attack: CC22..........
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Attack rate won't do it, it just cuts the transition.


Eric E. Hache
Music Composer @ http://www.gamemusic.ca
Posted on Thu, Jun 09 2016 11:31
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

You can play around with the Attack feature in the Edit section, but I've never found that particularly useful in changing the perceived volume of the transition material (not the Master Attack). However, as I don't know what you're hearing that you don't like, it might be worth a try.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Fri, Jun 10 2016 00:45
by EgM
Joined on Mon, Apr 20 2015, NB, Canada, Posts 26

Here's a youtube video to explain what's going on:

https://youtu.be/w3V9TtSDIkg

You can hear that when B3 hits C4, the transition is way too loud.  Additionally, you can hear phasing when you hit C4 again...  I don't think that should be happening.

That's with stock patch, I had VelXfade locked at 56 for this video.  Nothing else was modified other than velxfade and dynscaler set to 127 for greater low end control.

At velxfade greater than ~70 you don't hear it as much but the Oboe is playing forte/ff and that's not usually used for solo...

Hope this helps.


Eric E. Hache
Music Composer @ http://www.gamemusic.ca
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