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Last post Fri, Mar 31 2017 by Dietz, 34 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 06:33
by tek0010
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Posts 50

And what I'm doing in my DAW---mixing the balance between center capsule and side capsules---is not revolutionary. It's a very basic thing people have been doing since the 1950's.

Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 06:50
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761

*sigh*

Yes, you said that before. It's done since the 1950ies, I do it since the 1980ies, and MIR Pro does it since 2011. 

For some reason I don't understand you don't want to see any of the solutions I offered you in this thread already (and in many others before), so I rest my case.

Have a great day.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 07:01
by tek0010
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Posts 50

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

*sigh*

Yes, you said that before. It's done since the 1950ies, I do it since the 1980ies, and MIR Pro does it since 2011. 

For some reason I don't understand you don't want to see any of the solutions I offered you in this thread already (and in many others before), so I rest my case.

Have a great day.

The "solutions" you offer are:

1) Output 2 channels to my DAW, which isn't really a solution.

2) Output 5 channels to my DAW, but you don't tell me how to do it. You don't know about Reaper, and the most you're willing to say about "Force output channels" is, you didn't mean it for daily use, just for special cases. As if that's a "solution"?

Here is what a real solution sounds like, not in English or German. Just a VSL flute starts off with no center capsule, then the center capsule fades in, and then the center capsule fades back out:

https://drive.google.com/open?id...YXb_HdIQhXzdQLVVPa3NsNGc

Not MIR, because you don't say how to do it in MIR.

Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 09:55
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761

I "don't say" ... :-D ... ok, it seems as I wrote two pages for you exclusively, without saying anything.

Please understand that it's not my job to explain users the handling of their DAWs. So let's start from the opposite end, once again: How would _you_ set up a surround session in Reaper? 

If you would do so, you could use _any_ downmixing device (i.e.: multi-channel to stereo) of your choice for the dynamic mixture of up to eight individual MIR Pro output channels. Is this really so hard to understand? ... must be a language thing.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 11:37
by tek0010
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Posts 50

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post
How would _you_ set up a surround session in Reaper?

This is how I would set up a Surround 64 session in Reaper, once they invent Surround 64:

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For Surround 5, I would select 6 "Track Channels" rather than 64 "Track Channels". (6 not 5, because Reaper requires an even number.)

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post
If you would do so, you could use _any_ downmixing device (i.e.: multi-channel to stereo) of your choice for the dynamic mixture of up to eight individual MIR Pro output channels.

No, because MIR doesn't send Reaper 8 channels, even when I set Reaper to 8 channels. And then I see an undocumented setting named "Force output channels", and that sounds like it's designed to make MIR send whatever number of channels I need; so I ask for clarification about this undocumented thing in MIR; but no, it's not for daily for use, it's just for special, secret, undocumented situations.

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post
Please understand that it's not my job to explain users the handling of their DAWs.

Okay; and you please understand that my job is to use whichever tool does the task best for my clients, and when MIR isn't that tool, that means less revenue for VSL, and that means they have less resources to pay you for your job.

Whose job is it to document "Force output channels"?

Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 16:26
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761

Thanks for your exceptionally friendly reply.

That's what I came up with after downloading Reaper a few minutes ago, without activating "Force Output Channels" in MIR Pro Preferences (see attachment). Isn't that what you get? 

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Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 22:33
by tek0010
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Posts 50

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post
Isn't that what you get?

No.

Posted on Thu, Mar 30 2017 23:42
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761

That's the problem, then.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 07:44
by FlorianWalter
Joined on Thu, Sep 20 2007, Vienna / Munich, Posts 125

For me this also works on Windows with VST. You can see 5 channels playing in the screenshot attached. Reaper recognized MIR Pro as an 8 channel VST plug-in, I can set up to 8 output channels in the plug-in pin connector. I did not use the "Force output channels" option.

Is there any setting concerning plug-in channels you might have changed in Reaper?

Best regards, Florian

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Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 09:05
by tek0010
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Posts 50

Originally Posted by: FlorianWalter Go to Quoted Post

For me this also works on Windows with VST. You can see 5 channels playing in the screenshot attached. Reaper recognized MIR Pro as an 8 channel VST plug-in, I can set up to 8 output channels in the plug-in pin connector. I did not use the "Force output channels" option.

Thanks for testing it.

Originally Posted by: FlorianWalter Go to Quoted Post
Is there any setting concerning plug-in channels you might have changed in Reaper?

It's extremely unlikely I've changed anything that would affect this. I have kept a written list of every Reaper-option I've changed away from the defaults, and the list is short and includes nothing related to plug-in channels.

We are all talking about MIR Pro plugin here, and there's no confusion about that; but I'm wondering, could it make a difference that I have no license for VE Pro? Is it possible that this functionality is tied to the VE Pro license? I have no idea what else could be the deciding factor.

Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 09:14
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12879

Hi tek0010, 

I wrote you a PM concerning your registrations. Would be great to get a reply (click "MyInbox) in the menu on the left side.

In general, the MIR PRO plug-in has nothing to do with the VE PRO license.  

Thanks,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 11:18
by tek0010
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Posts 50

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi tek0010, 

I wrote you a PM concerning your registrations. Would be great to get a reply (click "MyInbox) in the menu on the left side.

In general, the MIR PRO plug-in has nothing to do with the VE PRO license.  

Thanks,
Paul

I see your PM Paul: You don't like what I'm saying---you're trying to figure out which of your paying customers I am, because I'm not "friendly" enough.

I'm not here to make friends, Paul. I'm here inquiring about a setting that your company neglected to document.

I'm here explaining to Dietz what the word "capsule" means, because on page 1 he asks:

Quote:
I'm not sure what you mean by "individual microphone capsules". Are we really talking about the Main and Secondary Microphones in MIR, or the so-called MIR Icon that's used to represent a signal source on a stage ...? :-/

I'm here answering Dietz's question, why would a person want more inputs coming into his mixing console (or DAW) than going out from it---even though that has been a routine practice since the 1950's.

I'm here making a local copy of this thread, so I can post it on Gearslutz, KVR, and VI-Control, in case you decide to censor it here, because I wasn't "friendly" enough.

As if there aren't already enough threads on VI-Control about your treatment of the customers who pay your salary.

Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 11:33
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12879

Wow. 

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 12:38
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761

Thank you so much for answering my questions, and thanks for paying my "salary" even after I've treated you so badly.

... the word for that is "BachRules", I assume.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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