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Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 10:48
by mmueller
Joined on Mon, Sep 28 2009, Posts 121

Frankly, this is unprofessional. It must have been clear for a very long time that the release date could not be reached at all. We are now talking about "parts" in december. Why should a part be usefull at all? Early bird does not justify that - but it generates revenue based on false promises. This is a kickstarter campaign with Apple attitude.

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 11:10
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 538

 

This delay must have serious reasons. Maybe something went wrong or does not work or even sound as expected. 

Just emagine the quality of the recordings of an instrument groups did not match the Vision VSL had in their imagination ... and If YOU had the chance to decide then:

a) grab the result as it is right now ... OR
b) wait for improvements until everything is perfect and the Vision is fulfilled. 

I think if we knew the reasons for the delay, we all would be OK and choose option b)


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Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 12:22
by Eptesicus
Joined on Wed, Oct 16 2013, Posts 33

Originally Posted by: Spoilsman Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post
As soon as the first parts of Synchron Strings I are completed, we’ll make them available to you.

This will be in December, at the earliest possible date, you will definitely be ready for a great-sounding 2018! 

Could you tell us when we'll get the full product we've paid for? I was expecting it any day, but I'm now being told that some bits will come in December, and then the full product will be some time in 2018. That's very disappointing indeed. It won't be fully useable for a long time. And that leaves me wondering whether we're talking about six months or longer to get what we've already paid for.

I understand that you've not got the product up to standard yet, but maybe you should have waited until it was working before trying to sell it to us.

 

This to be honest. How can a November release turn into December at some point, and even then only delivered in parts,  3 days before the end of November.

Seems like a bait and switch to me and i am regretting having bought it already. I should have waited as at this point, i don't understand what advantage anyone who has already bought it has....

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 14:53
by guittarzzan
Joined on Sun, Nov 05 2017, Posts 4

Originally Posted by: Spoilsman Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: guittarzzan Go to Quoted Post
Personally, I consider things like this to be first world problems.  

Everything we have to deal with is a first world problem. Making electronic music is a first world problem. Working as a composer and paying off your mortgage is a first world problem. We live in the first world. I don't see how pointing that out makes any difference at all.

Because right now in Syria, there is probably a woman looking for her daughter under a pile of rubble from an airstrike.  Because right now, the poorest nation in the middle east is being bombed by Saudi Arabia and the people are starving.  These are things I use to remind myself of how lucky I am and how angry/frustrated to get when things like a string library release get delayed.  It puts things in perspective.  I would also say that if the delay of this string library has put you at risk of paying your mortgage then you shouldn't have bought it to begin with.  I would put paying my mortgage way, way higher on the priority list than spending money on a latest greatest string library.  Again, this is a first world problem in my opinion.  Keeps me from getting outraged at the great many little bumps in life.

 

cheers,

Steve

Say something worth hearing.
Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 16:24
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!

I ordered in october and waited for the promised release in "november" in order to finish a current project Im working on. (As I am working on limited budget its not that easy just to say "then you should have bought other products before")

 

What upsets me the most is that not only:

1.) is the release now sheduled december, but

2.) as they never said on the product page or anywhere "will be released in pieces" (=UNFINISHED) 

Point 1 alone would be upsetting, but 2.) is the icing on the cake and is NOT acceptable!

 

There has never been a word on "will be released in pieces". Thats just customer taunting!!

I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough!

Maybe they will offer the pre-ordering-customers some kind of cheap discount for upcoming Synchron-Stage-releases - but that would also be a complete joke, as the customer shouldnt have spend even More money for getting a "we´re sorry"-bonus.

 

The next problem with these shitty news is that the new product has to excel and be of uber-quality otherwise people will be even more upset and VSL just even more embarrassed.

 

I just cant get my around the fact, that not only the release will be delayed, but that we are NOW told, that the product will Not be released as it was sold, but in parts/pieces. I am extremly enraged and frustated!

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 17:28
by Banquo
Joined on Sat, Apr 09 2005, Dublin, Ireland, Posts 395

Oh my god you people. I get that it's disappointing and it's natural to be excited for a release like this, but the humans working at VSL have to edit literally maybe 100,000 samples. 

I work in tech. When only half of things go wrong it's a good day. That's just the world we live in. VSL have a great track record on this – especially compared to the other large sample company who shall remain nameless – and they're allowed miss 1 deadline by a few days once every 15 years.

Also, remember that you're talking to people, not just a company, who are doing their best to get a probably terrific product to us. Let's be patient.

Now let's all go drink some beer.

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 18:02
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Posts 499

Dear VSL,

Take your time! It's what makes VSL the best. 

I can imagine a VSL rebranding and redesigned marketing campaign (including a release/demo schedule) that I think would probably launch VSL into space. But I'd rather buy from a company that focused more on their product than their logo.

For the record, 1) I'm using samples from VSL that were recorded nearly 2 decades ago. 2) Now I'm even rebuilding my entire template around some VSL instruments I normally never use (due to a recent discovery in how to use convolution more effectively). Both are only possible because of a ridiculously high quality standard. 

If I am to be a true Jedi (which of course, I am) then patience is in order!

-Sean

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 18:06
by Eptesicus
Joined on Wed, Oct 16 2013, Posts 33

Originally Posted by: Banquo Go to Quoted Post

Oh my god you people. I get that it's disappointing and it's natural to be excited for a release like this, but the humans working at VSL have to edit literally maybe 100,000 samples. 

I work in tech. When only half of things go wrong it's a good day. That's just the world we live in. VSL have a great track record on this – especially compared to the other large sample company who shall remain nameless – and they're allowed miss 1 deadline by a few days once every 15 years.

Yes quite.....even more reason then to not take peoples money whilst promising a release date for the whole library that now looks seemingly quite unrealistic.

I think if you are going to start taking peoples money promising a November release, it is bad, 3 days before the end of November to delay it, potentially a whole month or more and say you will only actually now be releasing the library in parts.

So basically everyone who has paid the money and has the code sitting their accounts have been somewhat screwed over.

I , like i'm sure many others were, was expecting demos, a final release date (ie that it would be available in a few days) on Monday. Instead we got a a delay and now a staggered release of the library with still no concrete info on when we will actually get the full library.

Lets not forget only a few weeks ago a VSL rep made absolutely NO hint at a delay and said demos would be coming very soon.

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 18:21
by esperlad
Joined on Thu, Nov 07 2002, Posts 233

Sweetwater is charging full price according to their website.

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 18:45
by Mobius
Joined on Mon, Jun 06 2005, Brighton, U.K., Posts 134
Originally Posted by: Vienna-J Go to Quoted Post
Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!
I ordered in october and waited for the promised release in "november" in order to finish a current project Im working on. (As I am working on limited budget its not that easy just to say "then you should have bought other products before")

What upsets me the most is that not only:
1.) is the release now sheduled december, but
2.) as they never said on the product page or anywhere "will be released in pieces" (=UNFINISHED)
Point 1 alone would be upsetting, but 2.) is the icing on the cake and is NOT acceptable!

There has never been a word on "will be released in pieces". Thats just customer taunting!!
I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough!
Maybe they will offer the pre-ordering-customers some kind of cheap discount for upcoming Synchron-Stage-releases - but that would also be a complete joke, as the customer shouldnt have spend even More money for getting a "we&acute;re sorry"-bonus.

The next problem with these shitty news is thatthe new product has to excel and be of uber-quality otherwise people will be even more upset and VSL just even more embarrassed.

I just cant get my around the fact, that not only the release will be delayed, but that we are NOW told, that the product will Not be released as it was sold, but in parts/pieces. I amextremly enraged and frustated!


β€œRage”? Really? Something’s definitely not right with your perspective if a product delay causes rage. Annoyance perhaps, but rage?

Sorry, but your post reads as either extreme over-reaction or sarcasm.
Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 20:29
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 538
Originally Posted by: esperlad Go to Quoted Post
Sweetwater is charging full price according to their website.


I would switch to ilio.com or bestservice.de


Shiba Inu & Doge ... to the πŸŒ™πŸš€πŸš€

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 23:18
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Posts 499

Originally Posted by: Mobius Go to Quoted Post
“Rage”? Really? Something’s definitely not right with your perspective if a product delay causes rage. Annoyance perhaps, but rage? Sorry, but your post reads as either extreme over-reaction or sarcasm.

CLEARLY, we all love VSL's fine work so much that we get extremely passionate about it. That must be it.

Speaking of being extremely passionate about VSL...

We just had our first child 2 weeks ago, a girl we named Vienna. Someone just asked me "you seriously didn't name your daughter after a sample library did you?" Of course I didn't.......  but this does at least say that I do mention VSL enough to elicit that question being asked.

Sorry for getting a bit off topic. I just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit. 

-Sean

Posted on Tue, Nov 28 2017 23:45
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 538
Originally Posted by: SJSF Go to Quoted Post
... a girl we named Vienna. Someone just asked me "you seriously didn't name your daughter after a sample library did you?" Of course I didn't....... but this does at least say that I do mention VSL enough to elicit that question being asked.
Sorry for getting a bit off topic. I just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit.
-Sean


Congratulations. Beautiful Name for a girl. But I think we'll better keep an eye on that ...
If your second daughter's name will be "Appassionata" or a son's name will be "Herb" or "Dietz" ... well ... then we got you ;)


Shiba Inu & Doge ... to the πŸŒ™πŸš€πŸš€

Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 01:55
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5684

"Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!" - I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough! - Vienna-j

This is hilarious.  

The kind of reaction shown by silly posts like this represents something disturbing in society right now - that people today are weaklings who cannot do anything for themselves and who start bawling like infants as soon as they don't get what they want instantly.  As stated in the great recent Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - "They're stronger than us because they don't need power."  This person not only needs power, he needs everything provided to him instantly without any delay or he will start crying and soiling his diapers. I just wish these people had to create a sample library instead of just CONSUME - their only ability. 

No need to shut the thread down or chastize me - this is my only comment.

Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 07:26
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 41

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

"Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!" - I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough! - Vienna-j

This is hilarious.  

The kind of reaction shown by silly posts like this represents something disturbing in society right now - that people today are weaklings who cannot do anything for themselves and who start bawling like infants as soon as they don't get what they want instantly.  As stated in the great recent Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - "They're stronger than us because they don't need power."  This person not only needs power, he needs everything provided to him instantly without any delay or he will start crying and soiling his diapers. I just wish these people had to create a sample library instead of just CONSUME - their only ability. 

No need to shut the thread down or chastize me - this is my only comment.

Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 07:28
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 41

"Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!" - I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough! - Vienna-j

This is hilarious.  

Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 14:25
by Dominique
Joined on Fri, Aug 08 2008, Posts 179

Thank you for the update Paul. It is a bit unfortunate, but it can happen. I hope the Early Bird gets prolonged until some demos are out.

Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 15:46
by esperlad
Joined on Thu, Nov 07 2002, Posts 233

Since this product has been delayed and is being released in sections, will it be possible to buy each section separately? At least I could afford it as I think this would be very helpful to me.

Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 18:08
by Pro-Arte
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Nice France, Posts 186

At the end of the clip, I had heard some loops on one section (may be celli section) at 0:30 and 0:32 , so it is , may  be, possible that something went wrong ...

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Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 19:35
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 538
@ProArte
Good to read that this sounds strange for you too. But that could be a mistake by the Producer of the demo; instead of a general issue.

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