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Does the Synchron Player support Auto-Divisi?
Last post Wed, May 30 2018 by TFIS, 26 replies.
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Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 08:55
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 538

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

3. Synchron Divisi Strings I ... not for all Sections (I think f.ex. Basses will be kept out) but for quite some ...

This is part of the plan! Even if VSL say no. 
(They want to record a "modern orchestra" and modern orchestras play divisi.)

BTW take a look at the Violas of FX ... they are already devided!


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Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 09:19
by mobileavatar
Joined on Mon, Jul 25 2011, Posts 64

Hi Beat,

 

Thanks again for the great sharing and insight!

 

Originally Posted by: Beat Kaufmann Go to Quoted Post

I see that the technical side may be more important...

Sorry, I didn't mean to appear that way, but I think the relation between the visual score and the playback rendering should be close one.

 

The other extreme will be writing a score with playback using Synchron FX Strings I, one will probably never do that as the score will bear very little to the pre-sampled chords and textures.

 

I have been wondering: if VSL Solo Strings and VSL Dimension Strings serve so well as rendering libraries for score-oriented workflow, what can't Synchron Strings be planned likewise?

 

It seems what the Synchron Player gains tremendous versatility in playability on MIDI devices, but how about alternative workflows?

 

If VSL will do a Synchron Choir with auto-divisi, why can't they have PLANNED the same for Synchron Strings? We know whether the samples are dry enough or not should not be the excuse, as we all know, there is at least one not-so-dry Strings library that supports such feature.

 

Originally Posted by: Beat Kaufmann Go to Quoted Post

My music examples should show that 2-voiced instruments do not sound much different than if they were split on Divisi.

I agree with you, for virtual libraries, maybe the difference is subtle. But if the purpose of using the library is to do realistic mock-ups for physical orchestra, I do think there should be contrast between tutti and divisi, regardless how subtle the difference is intended to be. Similar to the auto-divisi issue, if I may take sul G/sulC as an example and again in Dimension Strings: not only VSL did sul G/sul C, they did the samples on every string!! Should there be audible differences between sul * and normal player?

 

Originally Posted by: Beat Kaufmann Go to Quoted Post

  • Sibelius for the score
  • DAW for the perfect sound

Yes, that's an excellent suggestion but that is exactly where I have problem to position the Synchron Strings library:

- for Sibelius, at least for Strings I, it does not have enough articulations to cover the needs for contemporary music composition.

- for DAW, the sound (at least in its current state) is far from being perfect.

 

Best,

mobileavatar

Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 09:21
by mobileavatar
Joined on Mon, Jul 25 2011, Posts 64

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

This is part of the plan! Even if VSL say no. 

Hi LAJ, I really appreciate your optimism!

Prompted by those subgroup close-mics I saw in the walk-thru video, I also thought auto-divisi is possible. That was the reason I started this thread.

Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 10:31
by TFIS
Joined on Tue, Dec 14 2010, Posts 106

Originally Posted by: mobileavatar Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: TFIS Go to Quoted Post

There is no "auto divisi" in VI.

By VI, I also meant VI Pro.
There is:
https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t33171-Dimension-Strings---auto-divisi#post209112

I know that function. Still no auto divsi. :)

Posted on Wed, May 30 2018 04:21
by mobileavatar
Joined on Mon, Jul 25 2011, Posts 64

Originally Posted by: TFIS Go to Quoted Post

I know that function. Still no auto divsi. :)

From p. 9 of the VSL catalog 2016:"...with the optional Vienna Instruments Pro player you may easily create divisi sections with flexible groupings, and with the Polyphonic Legato and Auto Humanization features you’ll get the most out of these string ensembles, for absolutely striking results!"

and p. 8 of the very same catalog: "The auto-divisi mode splits voices, and the tailor-made Humanize Presets let you easily control the performance accuracy in real-time – from subtle tuning and timing variations to heavy cluster effects."

If you disagree with the definition, you should argue with VSL.

If Synchron Player will support even "divisi" at that level (as in VI Pro Player), I will be more than happy.

Posted on Wed, May 30 2018 08:09
by TFIS
Joined on Tue, Dec 14 2010, Posts 106

I don't want to argue and I don't use the "divisi" function at all.

With dimension Brass every Instrument has it's track, if I want to record a group, I record those tracks at once.

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t28069-Auto-Divisi#post182704

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