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Strings Legato Behavior overlap vs touching notes
Last post Sun, Jul 01 2018 by stephen limbaugh, 8 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 01:26
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278

Has anyone noticed different behavior on legato patches when the MIDI notes are overlapping vs when they are touching?

It kinda of seems like the touching notes sound more like a legato bow change, and the overlap sound more like no change in bow direction (but not sounding like the slur patch).  And maybe also, the amount of the overlap is effecting the transition as well???

If this is the case, this would be really useful.  Any others notice this?

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Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 05:36
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 335

I'm trying to reproduce this, but I don't think there's a difference. I tried it with celli and 1st violins. With the celli, at times I kind of thought there might be something there, but maybe it was just a placebo effect, or perhaps the difference was just different round robins.

With violins, I can't really say I'm hearing anything different between connected vs. overlapping notes.

Btw., I think that the cello legatos sound better and more natural than the violins, don't they?

Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 05:41
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278

Hmm.. forgot to mention -- this was on the soft legatos.  I think the normal/fast go to quickly to notice.

Any difference there?

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Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 06:07
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 335

Can't say I hear a difference. Perhaps my hearing is lacking. Would be interesting if some others could check it on their systems as well.

Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 13:06
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 313

 

I didn't experiment yet but in theory it makes sense:

- VSL say they wrote new scripts, but didn't disclose what is the script action. Anyway the script was always taking into account the distance between notes to detect legato and trigger the slur/connection sample or not accordingly. Then maybe synchron player script plays some role in this.

- what's for sure instead, is that the overlapping notes create a bigger "blur" (like using the "blur" function to modify release lenght) and so the sonic result is different (e.g. build-up of sound density and reverb, that makes attack or bow change less perceivable in any case).

A comment by Paul should be welcome.

Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 21:13
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12987

Hi, 

When applying Legato Blur (which is set to 30 by default) AND overlapping notes, the overlapping time will affect the legato blur effect. Should be very clear to hear with high settings. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 21:17
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

When applying Legato Blur (which is set to 30 by default) AND overlapping notes, the overlapping time will affect the legato blur effect. Should be very clear to hear with high settings. 

Best, 
Paul

Ahh ha!

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Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 21:29
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278

So, the central concept is applied like in the picture I've attached... that's really helpful to know.  (Of course some tweaking would be needed, but the basic idea is this)

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