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Last post Thu, Jan 07 2021 by asaad, 9 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Jan 01 2021 14:21
by asaad
Joined on Fri, May 23 2014, Posts 12

Happy new year all!

I have been working with SE vol1+, VI pro, and MIRx for sometime in Sibelius writing Orchestral concert music, now I want to do the next step and start do proper mockup in a DAW, so I want to purchase new libraries and software.

Considering my budget, I am not completely sure what to buy, I am thinking in Symphonic cube standard, and getting full libraries for some instruments (Orchestral strings, flu 1, Cla 2...), next I am not sure if I should go for MIR pro, or just use MIRx, suite pro, and use the money for more samples (I am thinking Dimension strings for layering, and more full libraries). 

I am a beginner when it comes to mixing and mastering, so I am not sure if I will be able to use MIR pro to it's full potential, alternatively I can use MIRx and Vienna suite pro, so my questions:

1- What would you prefer, more samples or MIR pro?

2- Can I achieve using MIRx and Vienna suite pro similar result to MIR pro? Using EQ presets for instrument character, and the algorithmic reverb in Hybrid reverb instead of Miracle? (I should be fine with the fixwd positions in MIRx.

3- I also have a smaller project I want to do with Synchron sound as I am using smart sphere. Is the sound of VI instruments in MIR pro Synchron stage Identical to the Synchronizd libraries? 

4- Is there MIRx Synchron stage coming soon?

5- I know starter editions are sampled in whole tone, Is Symphonic cube standard library sampled in semitone as well or whole tone?

Thank you and best wishes for 2021!

Asaad

Posted on Sat, Jan 02 2021 01:55
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1718

The Hybrid Reverb in VS Pro has a late reflections of Synchron Stage preset, which I use for things I'm not putting in MIR (drums in mono which I don't want [added] early reflections coming from, for instance) to agree, to whatever degree with the placed-in-Synchron MIR instruments and the Synchron Player instruments in a mix. So for #2 more yes than no, I would think moreso with MIRx (which I'm not using) but just having the AR/tail of the synthesized room (convolution OFF) seems to offer a sort of glue to the snare/kick/hats/toms in the mix, to the extent I almost want to remix a lot of stuff. Confer MIRacle, same idea.

 

Not certain what you want from #1 there, but MIR Pro has made a huge difference for me very quickly which other people have noticed and remarked on. The mention of 'samples' is kind of corollary to an answer Dietz here gave me today, that the full effect of the extra samples (eg., surround which use Omnidirectional mics rather than coincident pairs for stereo) of a *Full* Synchron Player product is not easily captured otherwise.

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Posted on Sat, Jan 02 2021 07:18
by asaad
Joined on Fri, May 23 2014, Posts 12
Thanks civilization 3 for your reply.

As for question one, I am not sure what will help to achieve more realism. I am definitely getting symphonic cube standard, most of the articulations should be enough for me, I will need to get some full libraries like orchestral strings and a few winds.

What I can't decide as I am limited on budget, what will help for more realism, mir pro or more full libraries, (the answer for question 5 will help). I understand that it is two different things, I just in position where I need to prioritize.

The answer for questions 3&4 will help, as I have a second project I want to do it with synchron stage sound, if I get very similar results from cube in mir pro to synchron-izd version (solo strings and winds) I may get mir pro, or just get the synchron-izd version.

Thanks
Posted on Sun, Jan 03 2021 21:07
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 273

Originally Posted by: asaad Go to Quoted Post
1- What would you prefer, more samples or MIR pro?

Tough decision! I would go with MIR Pro first, it gives you an instant sound out-of-the-box with the MIRx extensions. The newest MIRx for the Synchron Stage is really good, in my opinion. Of course, you could go with only MIRx for VI (Pro) if you have a limited budget. But the features are also limited: You can't move instruments and make drastic reverb changes. Why not demo MIR Pro for 30 days?

Originally Posted by: asaad Go to Quoted Post
2- Can I achieve using MIRx and Vienna suite pro similar result to MIR pro? Using EQ presets for instrument character, and the algorithmic reverb in Hybrid reverb instead of Miracle? (I should be fine with the fixwd positions in MIRx.

Absolutely! And you don't even need Vienna Suite (Pro). The MIRx settings have all the EQ and reverb settings built in.

Originally Posted by: asaad Go to Quoted Post
3- I also have a smaller project I want to do with Synchron sound as I am using smart sphere. Is the sound of VI instruments in MIR pro Synchron stage Identical to the Synchronizd libraries?

Although the SYNCHRON-ized libraries use IRs from MIR Pro, there are some technical differences between the two. Don't know the details. Dietz made the MIRx settings with reference tracks, it's as close you can get to the real thing, and it sounds "better" than the SYNCHRON-ized libraries, in my opinion. Some SYNCHRON-ized libraries sound different, because there were other mixing engineers involved.

Originally Posted by: asaad Go to Quoted Post
4- Is there MIRx Synchron stage coming soon?

It's already there. :)

Originally Posted by: asaad Go to Quoted Post
5- I know starter editions are sampled in whole tone, Is Symphonic cube standard library sampled in semitone as well or whole tone?

As far as I know it's semitone sampling.

Posted on Mon, Jan 04 2021 10:56
by asaad
Joined on Fri, May 23 2014, Posts 12

Thanks Pixelpoet1985! appreciated.

I do really like the MIR pro concept and demos, but also like to have dimension strings, and more articulations in the woodwind (full libraries). So yes tough decision!

I am waiting for a new computer as my old one not working, so I can't demo MIR pro now, I was just thinking to get it now to benefit from the promotion. I probably will just wait for the computer and demo MIR pro.

As for the MIRx Synchron stage, I was asking for MIRx Synchron stage extension for VI pro. It is not in the MIRx page.

Thanks again.

Posted on Mon, Jan 04 2021 15:23
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1718

Originally Posted by: asaad Go to Quoted Post
As for question one, I am not sure what will help to achieve more realism. I am definitely getting symphonic cube standard, most of the articulations should be enough for me, I will need to get some full libraries like orchestral strings and a few winds. What I can't decide as I am limited on budget, what will help for more realism, mir pro or more full libraries

My opinion is that if you're really lacking articulations & there's a budget concern, that would take priority over MIR, or it did for me until this year. You could pick up some MIRx venues fairly inexpensively during this current sale, which last I saw is thru the 7th.

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Posted on Mon, Jan 04 2021 19:37
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 273

Originally Posted by: asaad Go to Quoted Post

Thanks Pixelpoet1985! appreciated.

I do really like the MIR pro concept and demos, but also like to have dimension strings, and more articulations in the woodwind (full libraries). So yes tough decision!

I am waiting for a new computer as my old one not working, so I can't demo MIR pro now, I was just thinking to get it now to benefit from the promotion. I probably will just wait for the computer and demo MIR pro.

As for the MIRx Synchron stage, I was asking for MIRx Synchron stage extension for VI pro. It is not in the MIRx page.

Thanks again.

You're welcome!

If you want to benefit from the MIR Pro promotion, take it if you have the budget. Otherwise, I think this promotion will come again this year, don't worry. Although there are different promotions every month, some always return, like e.g. the christmas vouchers or MIR Pro.

But be warned: MIR Pro is a bit overwhelming at first. It took me a long time to understand the settings. I'm also a beginner; I started with Vienna Suite and Hybrid Reverb before I bought MIR Pro, and I was never happy. It's very tedious if you don't know how to apply EQ and all this stuff, although Vienna Suite has very good presets for all VSL instruments. MIR Pro is definitely easier (in my opinion) and a different approach/experience compared to convolution reverbs. With those tools you have to do everything on your own (which is good, if you want to learn the things behind it), MIR Pro does many of this in the background for you. And you can actually see the instruments on these gorgeous venues. Some praise for the graphic designers here! ;)

Do you already have the cube? If you have the budget, maybe you could get the standard library first, it has a lot to offer. And then wait for a promotion to upgrade. In the last two years the cube has been massively reduced around Black Friday. Maybe there is another discount this year. Fingers crossed! 

Ah, got it! You meant MIRx vor VI (Pro). I think it's in the making right now, but don't know for sure. It's a bit "misleading" (in lack of an appropriate term)... because there are two separate MIRx products: 1) the MIRx in MIR Pro which is free-of-charge for owners of the venue, and 2) the MIRx module for VI (Pro).

Posted on Thu, Jan 07 2021 09:11
by asaad
Joined on Fri, May 23 2014, Posts 12

 


My opinion is that if you're really lacking articulations & there's a budget concern, that would take priority over MIR, or it did for me until this year. You could pick up some MIRx venues fairly inexpensively during this current sale, which last I saw is thru the 7th.

I think I will go with more articulations first, I have one MIRx venue which is good.

Thanks

Posted on Thu, Jan 07 2021 09:32
by asaad
Joined on Fri, May 23 2014, Posts 12

I don't have the cube yet, I will get standard library first, then wait for promotions and add little by little. I think it will make more sense to have instruments and articulations first.

I am using MIRx VI pro, with SE vol.1+ for positioning, I will need to learn how to use the suite pro.

Hopefully the Synchrom MIRx for VI pro will come soon, this will help with my other project, Fingers crossed!

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