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Vienna Suite eq v. MIR Pro 3D eq
Last post Tue, May 09 2023 by Cyril Blanc, 11 replies.
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Posted on Sat, May 06 2023 13:49
by Oceanview
Joined on Sat, Jan 12 2008, Oxford, England, Posts 184

Does anyone have any view on a preference between using the instrument eq presets in Vienna Suite or the equivalent character presets in MIR Pro 3D? I'm assuming that using both would be overkill / defeat the object. At present I'm using eq in Vienna Suite and not in MIR Pro.

Thanks.

Oceanview
Posted on Sat, May 06 2023 15:36
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8286

The main idea of MIR's "Character EQ" was to have preset-specific settings, now even more important since the introduction of "Roles". However, apart from GUI-features there is little difference between the EQ in MIR and the one in Vienna Suite Pro from a technical POV. The main additional feature of the Suite-EQ is its ability to work in 4x oversampling mode. ("Legacy" Vienna Suite EQ offers no oversampling, the Master EQ 2x oversampling.) As far as I remember there's no oversampling for MIR's EQs either.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 06 2023 16:04
by Oceanview
Joined on Sat, Jan 12 2008, Oxford, England, Posts 184

Thanks for your reply Dietz. I should have explained that I'm using Vienna Suite (legacy) not the Pro version. In some recent scores I'm not using roles because I'm positioning the instruments myself (non-standard layout for multiple strings). It is possible this means I'm not using the roles properly - so do comment on that if you like.

Thanks.

Oceanview
Posted on Sat, May 06 2023 17:06
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8286

There is nothing wrong with positioning your instruments manually! After all, that's exactly what MIR was made for. You don't have to stick to any presets if you're happy with the result, whether it's the internal EQ or the one from the Vienna Suite. Just refrain from using both at the same time - that just yells "overprocessing". ;-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, May 07 2023 08:24
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

I use EQ in Logic only for the singer, drums and synth.

I leave MIR Pro to set it for all VSL instruments

I use ONLY VI instruments

I set volume to 0db in MIR and use Logic's volume

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Posted on Mon, May 08 2023 09:00
by Louis C
Joined on Fri, Sep 22 2017, Posts 54

The great thing about the Vienna approach to presets is that the mainstream ones are exactly that - clean and transparent with nothing 'overcooked'.

re. Vienna Suite - They provide an excellent starting point and it's always worth noting where they have small cuts in the mid range of instruments - bear in mind Dietz and his colleagues are checking their work in a seriously high end acoustic environment with extremely well matched and maintained equipment (monitors amps cabling et al. So what you get by looking at the the various presets is an absolutely solid starting point for the given/expected audio sample set.

The Roles in MIR Pro3D are therefor exactly that - tailored EQ's to fit the various positions for the various rooms that the Roles are intended for inside MIRPro 3D and seated in an ensemble setting.

The Synchron Player offers you all sorts of different 'mixes' and are also a hugely useful and appreciated effort behind what can be a bewildering array of channels per instrument. 

Posted on Mon, May 08 2023 15:05
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

You have to decide, either you use Synchron instrument alone or use VI instrument with MIR

I have experience Synchron instrument with MIR PRO, I did not like it

 

Up to you to try.

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

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Posted on Mon, May 08 2023 15:49
by Louis C
Joined on Fri, Sep 22 2017, Posts 54

Of course you can use Synchronised Instruments in MIR Pro - this is how VSL is aiming to provide Apple Silicon M1/M2 et al.  compatibility for their VI libraries - you just choose the Mir Unprocessed Mixer Preset - and that gives you the VI Silent Stage version.

Posted on Mon, May 08 2023 17:03
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

Originally Posted by: Louis C Go to Quoted Post

Of course you can use Synchronised Instruments in MIR Pro

Try it v.s. VI ; you will see the difference !

I love the "Synchron" user interface, but not the result with MIR unprocessed 

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Mon, May 08 2023 21:41
by Louis C
Joined on Fri, Sep 22 2017, Posts 54

The Synchronised instruments are the same as the VI instruments - there is a certain amount of parameter editing still required to get the the Synchronised version to sound "exactly" like the VI version - but it is perfectly possible but also bear in mind that further optimisation of those samples has taken place and so there will be variation in timbre. 

As an example I have to take away some of the low end 'weight' of the Synchronised Bass Drum A with an EQ to get it to closely match VI Bass Drum A .. which has a slightly less refined low end and for my purposes gets weight added to it, again with EQ.

I think VSL have been fairly clear that Silicon support for their VI libraries via Vienna Instruments Pro is not going to be soon ... if ever.

I really hope they offer those of us that have ALOT of the VI libraries bought as single instruments the opportunity to crossgrade for prices close to the way they just did with the release of Synchronised Percussion .. which is excellent .. and realistically affordable if you've already paid for the VI versions. 

Posted on Tue, May 09 2023 03:03
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

Originally Posted by: Louis C Go to Quoted Post

The Synchronised instruments are the same as the VI instruments - there is a certain amount of parameter editing still required to get the the Synchronised version to sound "exactly" like the VI version - but it is perfectly possible but also bear in mind that further optimisation of those samples has taken place and so there will be variation in timbre. 

Up to you !!! everybody have it's taste 

I Just mixed two pieces first with Synchron Instruments not being satisfied I have set those 2 pieces with VI instruments ; now I am satisfied, the instruments sounds much better.

In VI PRO the repetitive notes gives you better sound

In VI PPRO you have automatic length detect 

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
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