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Synchron libraries and Logic Pro
Last post Sat, Jun 03 2023 by Stig Christensen, 4 replies.
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Posted on Fri, May 19 2023 11:32
by Stig Christensen
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2005, Denmark, Posts 196

Hi
Out of curiosity I would like to know how the Synchron libraries from VSL are working in Logic Pro. The articulation system "only" allows 3 k.s. for a patch, so how do you manage ex. Elite Strings?

I would also like to know how you are dealing with delaying (negative) the longs and legato articulation, to get them in time with the beat.

Regards Musicmind

Musicmind (Mind the Music!)
Mac Studio Max 64Gb, PC Slave 64gb, Mac Pro 12 48Gb, MacBookPro, Apollo interface, Universal Audio, Waves 9, NI Komplete 9, VSL, BFD3, Superior, Arturia, Sound Toys, Euphonix MC Mix, Neumann mics, DynAudio, Yamaha + Adam monitors AND Steinway Concert Grand A ;-)
Posted on Tue, May 30 2023 19:49
by Mavros
Joined on Mon, Apr 19 2021, Switzerland, Posts 62
Regarding your first question you can indeed not switch all articulations with Logic key switches. There is a software called X- DAW from Audio Grocery which uses scripts in Logic which would enable more than 3 switches. You might of course also use different tracks for a main articulations like shorts, longs etc. and then use 3 switches for the additional options but some have 5 so you still are not able to get all options. By the way I counted 107 articulations in Art Director for Elite Strings. So even with 3 switches you have a large choice.

Regarding the negative delays I think the easiest is to also use separate tracks for main articulations and enter a delay on each track. to synchronize with the beats. You might be able to automate the delays in Logic if you put all articulations in the same track but itbis a lot of work if you have a lot of switches. Dorico 5.0 now has articulation sets where you can enter a delay per articulation.
Posted on Wed, May 31 2023 00:35
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1174

Hello Stig, 

The compendious nature of Synchron Strings Pro and Elite presents a second problem in Logic Pro: the DAW only holds 256 articulations. Should the Synchron users of these libraries hope to create a thorough template that makes available every permutation of sound that the interface offers, the possibilities far exceed 256. Trust me, I've gone there.  

(By the way, if you use Smart Controls to call up articulations, *that* can only dial in 127 patches. It's gets jumpy beyond that.)

I've been cobbling together templates since my Roland S550 in the late 80's, through Kurzweil, Giga and into Vienna Instruments, and it has always been my goal to make everything immediately available. With Synchron Pro, I had to make concessions. 

I do own XDAW, and I've used it to my advantage. In particular, it enables me to assemble even Logic native Articulation Sets (limited to three switches) with ease. And I've used the XDAW scripts too to allow for more-than-three art selection. 

But I've used XDAW more for template construction in recent seasons. Here's why:  

Articulations in my XDAW scripted version of a complete Synchron Pro template reached into the mid 400's. I worked that way for a season. But over time, it was just too much. Yeah, it was all there, any sound I wanted, but at what cost? The drop-down menu was a half mile long. I am often victim of my own thoroughness. 

So to answer your question, I willfully limited my Pro / Elite templates. I kept it at three arts only, built the template with XDAW but didn't use a script, and I made (very reluctant) allowances for keyswitches. 

An example: an articulation calls up legato molto vibrato, and I embed region keyswitches for attack and release. (In VSL factory presets, release is often F7 or G7, and attacks go from A7 to C8). 

It's annoying. I hate keyswitches. But it's the compromise I made according to the very issue you raise. I wanted all articulations available in a shorter list, even if it required a secondary key switch for just the right expressivity per musical context.. 

As easily, a user can have XDAW use its multiple art capacity with a script and just make fewer items (more specific in sound, but fewer in total number) for a shorter menu. (Real world fact: we use the same thirty or so sounds 98% of the time.  )

Regarding delays, I want to make sure you're aware that Logic Pro allows for delay settings per region. It should be found in the Region Parameters box at the upper left of Inspector in Main. 

Posted on Sat, Jun 03 2023 10:04
by Stig Christensen
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2005, Denmark, Posts 196

Thank you for your feed back!

I'm investigating DP11 because it has a more advanced articulation map system - featuring delay pr. articulation and much more. It's difficult to learn a new way of set-up and the whole articulation issue isn't solved as elegant as in Studio One, which on the other hand doesn't have the delay and doesn't lock the articulation to MIDI.
I have XDaw, I don't like it, I want a built in solution, that facilitates the use of both small and large libraries.

Musicmind (Mind the Music!)
Mac Studio Max 64Gb, PC Slave 64gb, Mac Pro 12 48Gb, MacBookPro, Apollo interface, Universal Audio, Waves 9, NI Komplete 9, VSL, BFD3, Superior, Arturia, Sound Toys, Euphonix MC Mix, Neumann mics, DynAudio, Yamaha + Adam monitors AND Steinway Concert Grand A ;-)
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