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Posted on Fri, Mar 23 2007 19:06
by MikeHC
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2004, Devon, UK, Posts 82
Trying to work out a way of using Sibelius to drive VI SE.

As recommended by someone in this forum, I've got Forte as a VST host on my VI machine (which is separate from the machine running Sib). I have Sibelius playing the correct instruments, changing articulations etc. Wow. So far so good.

But I'm up against a blank wall when it comes to panning. I've read the posts which explain why VI doesn't observe the MIDI pan controller, but I need some suggestions for a solution here.

I don't know if there's a VST plugin that does decent panning, but even if there is, that presumably means two plugins in Forte for every instrumental channel: one for the instrument and one for the panning. Forte is limited to 32 instruments and you can't really get a full symphony orchestra into 16 channels!

OK, I do have another PC, so I could run another Forte racks on the extra PC. Except that (as per separate recent post) I can't split VI SE between two PCs!

I can't help feeling I must be barking up the wrong tree here (or just barking mad for even trying to do this). Should go back to my old (GS3+ Sonic Implants) setup?!

Mike
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 13:01
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
It's unfortunate that there is no pan facility on Vienna Instruments patches (nor in Forte). It's unusual for a virtual instrument to lack panning controls, MIDI channel select and user-definable ranges, but the VI has been designed with other priorities in mind.

>Should I go back to my old (GS3+ Sonic Implants) setup?!

You'd lose all the wonderful VI facilities such as the brilliant performance legatos and extensive articulation switching within one instance. If you bought GVI (GigaStudio Virtual Instrument) you could run your Giga libraries alongside VI SE under Forte. Your VI samples will still be centrally panned, but you could freely pan the GVI instruments as you did with GS3!
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 14:51
by MikeHC
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2004, Devon, UK, Posts 82
Thanks for this.

I realised after posting this that I was talking nonsense with regard to the number of instruments, because of course the panning effect wouldn't occupy an "instrument" in Forte. And in fact I now have a very satisfactory setup using Forte and 20-odd instances of VI and a freebie VST called GPan (www.gsonic.com).

And yes, I did get GVI too! - the "upgrade" cost from GS3 Orchestra is so small as to make this a no-bariner - and so far (touch wood) it seems a lot more reliable than GS3.

But yes, it would be better if VI included a panning control. In fact to my way of thinking it would have been FAR better if VI had been designed the same way as GVI - i.e. one instance supporting multiple MIDI channels, and responding to bank/patch change requests like Giga does.
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 15:33
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
Nice one - how does GPan interface with Forte? Does one instance control the panning of all of Forte's modules? I agree with your comments about VI's lack of multitimbrality, it still seems odd to me.
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 16:00
by MikeHC
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2004, Devon, UK, Posts 82
You need a separate instance of GPan on each VI instance - at least, on all those which you don't want dead centre!
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 17:44
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
That's a lot of messing about, but it's good to know it works. Let's hope Brainspawn / Forte add panning facilities to their host one day!
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 19:43
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
If you are writing for orchestra then you will want to narrow the stereo width of most samples before panning.

DG
Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 20:43
by MikeHC
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2004, Devon, UK, Posts 82
Hmmm - thanks for that.

OK, I think I understand the theory (having read other posts on the subject) but in practice, unless you're using Sonar or Nuendo (or GS3!!) or something that has a built-in facility to narrow the stereo width, then your choices are narrowed somewhat.

I searched high and low for a VST plugin that would just do panning - and the only thing I found that I thought I could understand was GPan. Now you're telling me I need to go an a further search for a "stereo width narrower"?!

Wink

Any suggestions?
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 21:56
by JBacal
Joined on Sat, Mar 27 2004, Posts 1206
The Waves S1 vst does both (pan and narrow) well. It is pricey but good.

Best,
Jay
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 22:30
by MikeHC
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2004, Devon, UK, Posts 82
Ok - thanks, that's interesting ... was thinking of getting TrueVerb anyway, and the Native Power Pack includes both for (gulp) £300 or so.

Which is quite a bit more than VI SE. No prizes for guessing which is better value!!

Oh yeah and for the Waves stuff I have to buy yet another damn USB dongle! My PC is beginning to look like a sort of blunt plastic-spiked hedgehog.
Posted on Thu, Mar 29 2007 22:52
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
MikeHC wrote:
Hmmm - thanks for that.

OK, I think I understand the theory (having read other posts on the subject) but in practice, unless you're using Sonar or Nuendo (or GS3!!) or something that has a built-in facility to narrow the stereo width, then your choices are narrowed somewhat.

I searched high and low for a VST plugin that would just do panning - and the only thing I found that I thought I could understand was GPan. Now you're telling me I need to go an a further search for a "stereo width narrower"?!

Wink

Any suggestions?

PM me an email address and I'll send you a VST panner that does both. I can't remember where I got it, but it was free and legal...!

DG
Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2007 17:10
by info_14615
Joined on Wed, Jun 15 2005, Posts 1

Can you send me that VST Panner too?

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