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Posted on Wed, Aug 26 2009 04:26
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2731

Hello VSL

Sorry a LOT of questions :

Currently I have a MAC Pro 3 Ghz 13 GB , the project I have been working on are running with no problem on my MAC pro (less of half CPU), but I cannot load all the articulations due to memory limit

I wanted to build a full orchestral template on my MAC pro, but due to 10.5 I could not

Now that 10.6 is out I could do it

I also have a G5 2x2 that I dont use but that could be used to offload my Mac Pro

I was waiting to see if with VE 64 bit I could load all my articulations  before I buy VE Pro to put it on my G5

I have tried to figure out how MIR works with VE Pro, is MIR a Plug-in of VE PRO ?

I have watch the Video of MIR,  Vienna Suite and VE 3

I AM STILL A BIT LOST 

Can you use Vienna Suite plug-in in MIR ?

When can we expect a MAC OS X 10.6 MIR ?

Did you try MIR with Virtual Box and Window 7 on MAC OS X ?

When VE 64 bit will be out ? I would like to try it before buying VE Pro, is it possible ?

Is there is a trial version of VE pro that I could use as a Local host ? 

Can you give us the list of articulations in the Epic orchestra ?

Why do I need the Vienna Suite if I have Logic that as also a convolution reverb ?

Why do I need MIR if I have the Vienna Suite ?

Why do I need MIR if I have Logic that as also a convolution reverb ?


It will be great if you could add a forum in French on VSL site 

that will help your French client that does not speak fully English, Marnix could respond Big Smile

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Wed, Aug 26 2009 08:38
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9139

Cyril wrote:
Can you use Vienna Suite plug-in in MIR ?
 yes

Cyril wrote:
When can we expect a MAC OS X 10.6 MIR ?
not scheduled yet

Cyril wrote:
Did you try MIR with Virtual Box and Window 7 on MAC OS X ?
virtualization is not recommended for MIR at all - also system requirement is i7 or XEON 5500 and your mac is assumably a 5200 or 5400

Cyril wrote:
When VE 64 bit will be out ?
beginning september

Cyril wrote:
Is there is a trial version of VE pro that I could use as a Local host ? 
yes, like for VE3

Cyril wrote:
Can you give us the list of articulations in the Epic orchestra ?
as soon as the manual is available for download

Cyril wrote:
Why do I need the Vienna Suite if I have Logic that as also a convolution reverb ?
if you decide the VS convolver sounds better you know why - get the demo

Cyril wrote:
Why do I need MIR if I have the Vienna Suite ?
MIR is a Multi Impulse Response Mixing and Reverberation Engine calculating directivity of an instrument, its position on stage, and the position of the *microphone(s)*.

Cyril wrote:
Why do I need MIR if I have Logic that as also a convolution reverb ?
same answer as above

hth, christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Wed, Aug 26 2009 13:37
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Cyril, there is no point in putting VE Pro on your G5, because it is Intel only.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Aug 27 2009 03:52
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2731
DG wrote:

Cyril, there is no point in putting VE Pro on your G5, because it is Intel only.

If you read the product page for VE 3 / VE PRO

It says :

  • PC Intel/AMD with Windows XP/VISTA 32 and 64-bit versions (Core 2 Duo/Xeon recommended) or
  • Apple G5 or Intel Core 2 Duo/Xeon with Mac OS X 10.4 or higher

Paul and Christian, can you confirm ?

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Aug 27 2009 03:53
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2731

Hello Christian

If I understand VE is included in MIR 

Many thanks for your answer

Best 

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Aug 27 2009 08:17
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

 And if you read the forum: Wink

Paul wrote:

Hi,

VE PRO will work on Intel only (OS X).

Best,

Paul

 

 DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Aug 27 2009 15:49
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062
Cyril wrote:
DG wrote:

Cyril, there is no point in putting VE Pro on your G5, because it is Intel only.

If you read the product page for VE 3 / VE PRO

It says :

  • PC Intel/AMD with Windows XP/VISTA 32 and 64-bit versions (Core 2 Duo/Xeon recommended) or
  • Apple G5 or Intel Core 2 Duo/Xeon with Mac OS X 10.4 or higher

Paul and Christian, can you confirm ?

Best

Cyril

 

The product page does say it is for Apple G5, but that's not the product page for VE Pro, it's not even published.  That's the VE3 page.  So yes, VE3 supports G5, but no where does it say VE Pro supports G5.

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Sun, Aug 30 2009 08:16
by stevenson_17312
Joined on Sun, Oct 30 2005, Posts 17

hi cyril - how are you? haven't crossed words in a while. do you mind if i jump on this thread with you? it's along the lines of questions i wanted to ask as well.

i am looking for a single computer solution. i am interested in VE pro to use on the same machine as my DAW. currently doing that job is plogue and i am using loopback to my interface to pipe the audio back to logic. after many headaches i have settled on something reliable, but it could be improved. eg latency in this setup is not wonderful.

1. can i use VE pro in this way - on the same computer as the DAW?

2. how does VE provide audio outputs over LAN or in my case internally? how do they show up in logic?

3. likewise, midi?

4. with rewire, you have the possibility of detecting tempo from the DAW. does this happen in VE pro? so any loops residing in a plug-in will set to the current DAW tempo?

Posted on Sun, Aug 30 2009 20:42
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1150

Dr. Stevenson, I presume. 

Have you seen the Vienna Ensemble 3 video?  

http://vsl.co.at/en/211/1343/1348/1594/1245.vsl

I'm still learning this too. With VE 2, I figured out the whole Jack / stand-alone / MIDI routing thing. But I am losing tolerance for those work-arounds, no matter the RAM benefits. The chief kludge for me is the inability to double-click something in Logic and see what I'm hearing immediately. I'm not going to hunt down one cell within one of sixteen instruments among 6 stand-alone VE instances.  

So perhaps VE 3 PRO is here to save us both. Like you, I want a single computer. After several years winnowing down a workstation, I can't bring myself to start adding computers again. We should give 64-bit VE Pro a shot before we give up the single computer theory. 

1. Yes. It's mentioned in the video. Launch Vienna Ensemble SERVICE on the same computer hosting your DAW. 

2. I can't speak for LAN and audio outputs (but the video covers this too). Internally, it's just wonderful. You simply load a software instrument (channel strip) with VE 3. It finds the VE Service on the same computer, referenced as "localhost," and opens its own window, unique to that channel strip. 

I'm still distracted by the fact that when one VE is open, I think they're all open, and we are left to sort through the redundant mess. Some user error is making it worse, I suspect.  But from the plug-in, if you click the rectangle (show window), the appropriate window will be topped. 

Also, there's a note in VE 3 PRO mentioning the redundant screens. Perhaps this is the same issue I'm facing, to be fixed. Also, it mentions a clearer marking of each instance. Right now, the user sees an unhelpful list of identical version titles and numbers.

3.  And this seems best of all. Internally, there is are no extra MIDI hook-ups. VE 3 is read directly from Logic, per the channel strip. Just make sure the VE 3's instrument settings (port and channel, assignable per instrument) agree with the MIDI that the channel strip is receiving 

4. Alas, I know nothing of tempo. I'm not aware of any VSL product that listens to a BPM tempo. 

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