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Pilot video project on sample-orchestration from a piano part
Last post Fri, Sep 25 2009 by denis, 8 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 03:28
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1986

I have been toying in the last years with the idea of making videos on sample-orchestration, starting with a piano version. Here is a snippet of going from a piano rendition to the sample-orchestrated version with the same excerpt.


The narrated video would look at how the piano parts evolved into an orchestral score with an explanation of the choices of the VSL sampled instruments and articulations used.
I'll only do it if there will be enough interest. You are welcome to give your ideas. This may or may not be free. There is always the possibility this could be a free downloadable video part of VSL website. If anyone has suggestions I'd love to hear them!

Hope you like the idea! :)

Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 14:04
by ct1961
Joined on Sat, Dec 15 2007, Posts 438

I think this would be of interest to a great many Guy.

It would be good to be able to watch one of the accomplished users of the Library in action. I'm sure a lot of useful information on technique and working practices could be gleaned from such a video. I'd suggest some emphasis on the use of controllers and automation of the instruments and effects.

"Free" sounds good to me but would have no problem forking out if not!  Go for it.


Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 14:27
Joined on Fri, Aug 14 2009, Posts 21
That's an awesome idea. I love these kinds of tutorials.

Perhaps you could have a free sample of the first few minutes or so, and then the full version for which one could pay for.
Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 15:46
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1572

I think it would be a good idea.  

I think it would be a great idea if you incorporate as many sequencers and notation software programs as possible.  Both PC and Mac platformed.  Perhaps others out there can contribute because this may be a bit of a challange but whatever you do would sure be better than what is available on Youtube.

If only I had something like this when I started.  Guy, If you can save some other poor bastard out there the trouble that this poor bastard (me) went through then I'm all for it.

"Good luck, we're all counting on you."

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 15:55
by denis
Joined on Sun, Nov 16 2008, Posts 114
Hi Guy,
Very interesting indeed.

A few thoughts:
You could maybe divide this into a few chapters, such as:
1. analyzing the piano piece and deciding which orchestral group / VSL instruments will play what - in other words: expanding the piano score
2. midi parameters and automation
3. mixing and mastering

As it would be VSL oriented, I guess it would need to be as generic as possible, I mean not DAW-dependent (or then, it would need to cover them all, which sounds like a nightmare project). If you provide any file, maybe just the piano midi + piano audio + final audio would be necessary, so that everyone can experiment with their own system following/mimicking what you will be doing on yours and teaching us. This way, the user will have to tweak things him/herself and will learn much more than by simply loading presets and project files.

Looking forward to it.

Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 15:59
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1061

Charming Scaramouchean effervescent piece. Having followed this forum for so many years now, I am certain there will be huge interest in this, there are a lot of people here who do not share a conservatoire training. My own interest lies more towards any of your considerable technological insights you may wish to share, beyond the fact that it is always interesting to see what an accomplished musician does with some raw material - like what you did with those Christmas tunes.

If I may venture, ideally for me the tutorial would consist of discreet steps - from manuscript to post-mastering, including all required equipment specifications, technologies, and (most importantly) techniques of getting that realistic sound... I take it others would like a bigger focus on instrumentation/orchestration decision-making processes etc. Well, the more detailed and revealing this will be, the more people would be willing to pay for it I guess.

Whatever the case may be, good luck, and congratulations on your work thus far.

P.S.: Macintosh preferred.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 17:29
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1986

Thanks guys, this is nice. Keep em coming, this will be useful.

Posted on Fri, Sep 25 2009 17:34
by denis
Joined on Sun, Nov 16 2008, Posts 114
Since I've been playing with Sibelius, Logic and VSE+ today, I thought that a generic overview of your workflow would be very useful too. By generic, I mean that it doesn't really matter which DAW or which notation software you're using. It's more about how you're using them, for which particular task, when you're switching between DAW and notation software, etc...
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