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Last post Sat, Oct 17 2009 by MS, 19 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 10:32
by musicpete
Joined on Thu, May 03 2007, Vienna, Posts 33

Hello!

I've been playing around with VE Pro in loopback mode and so far I quite like it. However there is a problem:

I put the "Vienna Ensemble Pro Server (64 bit)" link into the autostart folder of my XP64 PC, so I don't forget to start it everytime. Unfortunately, when the program loads, it displays it's own window and has to be minimized to the system tray manually. Then I have to click away that annoying ballon notification. EVERY TIME I restart the computer. After 15 times, it got really aggravating...

Because of that I kindly request these things being added to the program:

1) An option to start the server together with Windows.

2) An option to force the program to start minimized to the sytem tray.

Thanks

Greetings from Vienna!
Peter
Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 10:39
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Just one quick question; why are you re-starting the computer so many times?

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 11:43
by musicpete
Joined on Thu, May 03 2007, Vienna, Posts 33

Because I have only money for one "all in one" PC. It is used for regular work, browsing, music and sometimes playing. And when it is not in use, it is turned off to save energy costs. It is no uncommon for the computer to be turned off and on 5-6 times per day.

Greetings from Vienna!
Peter
Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 11:51
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
musicpete wrote:

Because I have only money for one "all in one" PC. It is used for regular work, browsing, music and sometimes playing. And when it is not in use, it is turned off to save energy costs. It is no uncommon for the computer to be turned off and on 5-6 times per day.

 

 Fair enough. Are you sure that VE Pro is the right program to be using then? Which features are you interested in?

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 13:31
by Gemini
Joined on Sun, Feb 18 2007, North Hollywood, CA, Posts 95

[quote user="musicpete"]1) An option to start the server together with Windows

EDIT: [This is pretty easy right now: just copy the link of the "Vienna Ensemble Pro" or "Vienna Ensemble Pro Server" in the "Startup" folder of the Start Menu. It works perfectly for me]

Sorry: I misunderstood your actual problem! Embarrassed

It's not a problem for me, cause I load VE Pro Server on separate machines, so I don't care about that window.

A good option to add, though, could be a command-line syntax to autostart the server with a Mainframe of your choice at startup, as I explained here: http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/22815.aspx

Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 15:04
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

For reference, this is already implemented, and I answered how to do it in the other thread .

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 15:16
by Gemini
Joined on Sun, Feb 18 2007, North Hollywood, CA, Posts 95

Yes, MS... this is true. As I replied there, the only issue is an incorrect reference to the right executable file in the regedit.

So if your system is NOT 64bit, the regedit association refers anyway to the "Vienna Ensemble Pro x64.exe" file, which, obviously is not installed in a 32 bit system. This wrong link doesn't allow to open a .mframe file by double clicking on it or by putting it on the Startup folder (again, this issue only affects 32 bit systems).

Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 16:26
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

One point here could be, that I should setup the file associations on a 32-bit system so that the .mframe and .viframe files always open with the 32-bit version.

However, as we discussed in the other thread, I think I will rather revise this a bit - and change the file format names to .mframe32 / .mframe64 - and these will automatically open with the proper architecture. This should be the most universal solution, and should also allow one to distinguish between files created by the various architectures, not to mistakenly try to load a 64-bit mframe in a 32-bit version (which could easily overflow memory).

Thanks,

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2009 16:33
by Gemini
Joined on Sun, Feb 18 2007, North Hollywood, CA, Posts 95

Exactly!

I think that this could be a issue only in a 64bit machine, where you decide if you want to open a metaframe with the 32bit or with the 64bit version.

But in a 32 bit machine, you can approach that problem during the setup, changing the string of the application in registry key value. In fact, in a 32 bit machine there is only one version of the application, so you perfectly know at the setup what is the version you are installing and which string to write in the registry keys.

Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2009 15:54
by musicpete
Joined on Thu, May 03 2007, Vienna, Posts 33

Thanks for all your replies. I will look into the other thread and try to apply what is suggested in there.

However there remain 2 problems:

1) How do I start the VE Pro server MINIMIZED TO THE SYSTEM TRAY from the command line?

2) How do I disable that annoying pop-up balloon? I don't know how retarded VSL thinks their average user is... but after clicking away that balloon away more than 20 times, most users would have remembered that the application is still running in the system tray. Please give us an option to disable it. Thanks! :-)

Greetings from Vienna!
Peter
Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2009 16:27
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

1. You cannot.

2. It is not possible to disable the wonderful balloon.

However, based on your suggestions - I have just made it possible to start it minimized by calling it with "-server -minimized" from commandline. I also made it so that the balloon only shows the first time you ever minimize the server. This will come in the next update (which should be very soon).

Thanks,

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Tue, Sep 29 2009 04:58
by musicpete
Joined on Thu, May 03 2007, Vienna, Posts 33

Dear Martin!

Thank you SO MUCH! You are awesome. As in: the pinnacle of awesomeness! I will purchase another library within the next few days when I return from work, so I can say "thank you" in a way that will really support you.

Greetings from Vienna!
Peter
Posted on Tue, Sep 29 2009 08:11
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

I don't know about the pinnacle of awesomeness, but thanks for the kind words Big Smile

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Sat, Oct 10 2009 20:17
by musicpete
Joined on Thu, May 03 2007, Vienna, Posts 33

Hi again!

Well, so I downloaded the newest version. The balloon is now behaving as you promised, which is great!

However when adding the "-server -minimized" switch to the command line, I get an error message saying "Error - The project file is invalid or inaccessible" and the regular VE Pro starts INSTEAD of the server.

I am puzzled... Any idea what could cause this?

Greetings from Vienna!
Peter
Posted on Sat, Oct 10 2009 20:57
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

Currently it expects the -minimized argument to come after the -server argument. Sorry about that, will make it independent of position in the next version.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Sun, Oct 11 2009 08:17
by musicpete
Joined on Thu, May 03 2007, Vienna, Posts 33

Hello!

Thank you for taking time on a Saturday night to answer my question!!

The weird thing is: After a few reboots, the behavior changed. Now it starts the server correctely, no balloon appears. The server window starts minimized in the task bar, which is a great. But would it be possible to add another switch to load only the system tray icon (no window in the task bar at all)?.

So far your additions helped me a lot. Now if that system tray thing would also be made possible, I would be in heaven....Big Smile

Greetings from Vienna!
Peter
Posted on Sun, Oct 11 2009 11:15
by Catalin
Joined on Thu, Feb 20 2003, Ontario, Canada, Posts 51

So what is now the format of the command line that one should implement in order to get a default metaframe loaded at startup (and the server window minimized)? Can we specify now which server to start (i.e. 32bit versus 64bit)?

Thanks

Posted on Thu, Oct 15 2009 19:05
by musicpete
Joined on Thu, May 03 2007, Vienna, Posts 33

An answer would be nice! Come on guys, I know you're not out there just for Drinks and Paradise...

Wink

Greetings from Vienna!
Peter
Posted on Sat, Oct 17 2009 11:13
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

The 64-bit and 32-bit versions are actually different executables (Vienna Ensemble Pro.exe; Vienna Ensemble Pro x64.exe). Currently you need to use the following format to start a project in minimized server mode:

servername.exe project.mframe -server -minimized

With the next update any command passed to the EXE will be position independent.

musicpete wrote:

An answer would be nice! Come on guys, I know you're not out there just for Drinks and Paradise...

I'm actually writing this from a little mountain village in Thailand (holiday), so you were not totally wrong about that Cool I'll be back in Vienna next month again.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
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