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Last post Wed, Mar 09 2011 by skyy38, 9 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Dec 19 2010 19:53
by trifidmaster
Joined on Wed, Apr 02 2008, Posts 49

Well, somtimes I invite my wife to listen my work (film music, only VSL).

She likes the tunes, but she often comments on a fact that my mixes are not spread nicely, and the instruments do not melt together, Sad

What is wrong?

My room is acoustically treated and and many classical film music sound just amazing in it (other music, too - if it is made well).

I think she misses the big Holywoodish sound....or?

Posted on Mon, Dec 27 2010 01:19
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1772

Hello trifidmaster

Could you offer us an example?

All the best

Beat Kaufmann

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Mon, Dec 27 2010 16:56
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582

Could you possibly have her audition the excellent demos on this site through the same sound system.  I realize that they are just MP3's but it would still be interesting to see if her opinion changes.

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Posted on Mon, Dec 27 2010 23:40
by BadOrange
Joined on Tue, Nov 23 2010, Quebec, Posts 60
it is often hard for people to transfer the mockup into a real recorded version and they assume that wahat they are hearing is it.
Posted on Wed, Dec 29 2010 18:26
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1942
trifidmaster wrote:

Well, somtimes I invite my wife to listen my work (film music, only VSL).

She likes the tunes, but she often comments on a fact that my mixes are not spread nicely, and the instruments do not melt together, Sad

What is wrong?

It doesn't sound like the records to her, so I guess it isn't really up to snuff as a production. What will be wrong is your mixing chops, then. Musicians don't sound fantastic right off the bat in their efforts and achieving convincing production values won't be very different in this regard.

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Posted on Wed, Dec 29 2010 18:54
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371
trifidmaster wrote:

Well, somtimes I invite my wife to listen my work (film music, only VSL).

Have you any idea how weird that sounds? Confused

Posted on Sun, Jan 16 2011 23:41
by trifidmaster
Joined on Wed, Apr 02 2008, Posts 49

Thanks to all of you for your reactions.

I have recently purchased the VE Pro, and the "demo" template helped a lot in the melting process, Smile

And believe or not but she is now much more satsfied with the mix.


 
Posted on Tue, Mar 08 2011 21:56
by trifidmaster
Joined on Wed, Apr 02 2008, Posts 49

...and now my head is deeply burried in Adler's book, and I have just started to study orchestration..

Posted on Wed, Mar 09 2011 23:15
by skyy38
Joined on Fri, Jun 15 2007, Alaska, Posts 33

 Books are nice, don't get me wrong, but you also need to do a LOT of listening as well.

I would highly recommend that you get a copy of "Stars Wars" Special Edition Soundtrack, the one from 1997 if at ALL possible, by any  means. If you can't find it, I guess the Sony Records version will have to suffice but the '97 issue is by far, the most superior version of this music to date.

If you listen to this, ad naseum,you will, unconsciously, assimilate the rudiments of style and technique for everything involved in what you are striving to achieve. No, the goal is NOT to turn yourself into John Williams but, to get a first-class education from, arguably, one of the best composers EVER to grace a Hollywood Soundstage.Sharpen up your ears and also, read everything you can about the soundtrack-it can only benefit you in the long run.

For the technical side of things, I offer up this invaluable document:

http://www.malonedigital.com/starwars.pdf

Burn a copy of this for yourself,put it in page protectors and a notebook. It is reference material that will never be old, in musical/technical terms.

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