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Last post Wed, Mar 30 2011 by skyy38, 12 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Jan 28 2011 22:17
by nicolas.soulat
Joined on Sat, Oct 02 2004, France, Posts 68

Hi Everyone,

I tried to reprogram the Star Wars Suite, but i couldn't find the time to finish it these past few month, so here are pretty much 3'40 of this masterpiece here :

http://dl.free.fr/lB8ZeKxfP

Please if you have some suggestions or corrections let me know so I can improve it.

Thanks very much

Best regards,

Nicolas

Myspace :
www.myspace.com/outcastband
Official VideoClip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9IAfJ58xk
Official Teaser for Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATK_E0Dau9I
"Elements" excerpt from upcoming album Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZ8Kxf6TNA
Posted on Sun, Jan 30 2011 01:17
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 Well, you picked a huge piece to do, there are so many parts in this piece, so I can fully appreciate progress is always going to take time. The only thing that might be worth having a look at is trying to get more depth to the sound, so that it sounds like a big orchestra in a big place. Perhaps the percussion needs to sound like they are back further away (more reverb - less direct signal), and the same slightly with the brass, but of course if you were trying recreate a studio sound, then that you have achieved.

Posted on Wed, Feb 02 2011 17:29
by nicolas.soulat
Joined on Sat, Oct 02 2004, France, Posts 68

Hi Andyjh

Thanks for the answer.

I was indeed trying to reach a more dry studio sound with a high percu level but i agree the brass section would have a benefit by increasing the dpeth.

Very difficult to obtain but i guess I Have to test more and more IR of altiverb ;-).

Thanks again for your comment.

Regards,

Nicolas

Myspace :
www.myspace.com/outcastband
Official VideoClip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9IAfJ58xk
Official Teaser for Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATK_E0Dau9I
"Elements" excerpt from upcoming album Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZ8Kxf6TNA
Posted on Sun, Mar 06 2011 02:35
by skyy38
Joined on Fri, Jun 15 2007, Alaska, Posts 33

 Greetings Nicolas!

You must be a rabid Star Wars fan to undertake such a project!

I know I'm going to be following this thread for a long time so I won't ask everything upfront.

However, THIS might be the first step in helping you in your quest to get the right sound!

http://www.malonedigital.com/starwars.pdf

More later......

Posted on Sun, Mar 06 2011 02:41
by skyy38
Joined on Fri, Jun 15 2007, Alaska, Posts 33

 Oh yeah, in case you didn't have one of these already:

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/59/l_6a576fdde6ea6d9648aff4cbbb4bd41b.jpg

:)

Posted on Sun, Mar 06 2011 11:25
by nicolas.soulat
Joined on Sat, Oct 02 2004, France, Posts 68

Wow thanks very much, looking forward to read it ;o)

Thanks again

Myspace :
www.myspace.com/outcastband
Official VideoClip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9IAfJ58xk
Official Teaser for Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATK_E0Dau9I
"Elements" excerpt from upcoming album Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZ8Kxf6TNA
Posted on Sun, Mar 06 2011 21:01
by skyy38
Joined on Fri, Jun 15 2007, Alaska, Posts 33

 Stupid question here-you ARE using a VSL package of one sort or the other,right?

What are you using for your tracking program, ie your virtual studio? Cakewalk, Presonus,Ableton, Cubase...something?

Posted on Sun, Mar 06 2011 21:05
by nicolas.soulat
Joined on Sat, Oct 02 2004, France, Posts 68

Hi;

Not stupid at all ;o)

I use Brass I and Special edition mostly.

And for the tracking programn, i'use Cubase studio 5

regards,

Nicolas

Myspace :
www.myspace.com/outcastband
Official VideoClip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9IAfJ58xk
Official Teaser for Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATK_E0Dau9I
"Elements" excerpt from upcoming album Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZ8Kxf6TNA
Posted on Wed, Mar 09 2011 23:31
by skyy38
Joined on Fri, Jun 15 2007, Alaska, Posts 33

Ok, first up, there is WAY too much reverb.

When it comes to reverb, less is more and MORE is just *too much*.

If the basic structure of what you are doing is not intact enough to stand on it's own, excess reverb will only make it worse!

Excess reverb also tips people off to the fact that you may be trying to hide something, which , 9 out of 10 times is usually the case.

You appear to have a good set of ears, but I can pick out some stuff that may be missing. I say "may" because I don't know everything and I don't want to imply that I *do*. :)

Get your pan positions for your instruments squared away before you even *think* about reverb. If you have good separation and clarity for your sections in "dry" mode, then they will sound sweet when reverb is applied.

More later! Keep at it Nick!

Posted on Wed, Mar 30 2011 21:13
by skyy38
Joined on Fri, Jun 15 2007, Alaska, Posts 33

 Hey Nic,

Here's an example of what we've been discussing previously:

http://soundcloud.com/skyy38/vaders-shuttle-in-death-star

Everything has been panned in its proper position and GLOBAL reverb applied, not different 'verbs for different sections.

This is pretty simple but hopefully effective in showing that sometimes you don't need a TON of instruments sounding off.

BTW, the sample goes with THIS scene in RETURN OF THE JEDI ( starts at 1:25 in )

Keep at your work and lets talk some more- I could use some help too!

Posted on Wed, Mar 30 2011 21:34
by nicolas.soulat
Joined on Sat, Oct 02 2004, France, Posts 68

Hey Skyy,

This pretty epic and clean but there is a little "synthetic" side (of the force? ;)) which bothers me a lot, this sounds too artificial for me

But I will try several reverbs and trying not to combining too much of ddiferents IR.

Let's keep it tuned ;o)

C Ya

Nicos

Myspace :
www.myspace.com/outcastband
Official VideoClip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9IAfJ58xk
Official Teaser for Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATK_E0Dau9I
"Elements" excerpt from upcoming album Awaken The Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZ8Kxf6TNA
Posted on Wed, Mar 30 2011 22:27
by skyy38
Joined on Fri, Jun 15 2007, Alaska, Posts 33

 I'm just doing the best I can with what I've got, in this case, A Casio WK1350 from about 12 years ago.

I am looking forward to taking delivery of the NEW Casio WK 7500 which just came out. Hoping it sounds as good as they claim it does!

Yeah, there's a bit of a "synth edge" to it, but at least it didn't come out sounding like Kraftwerk did it! lol

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