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Linked cell positions in matrixes with the same dimensions
Last post Sun, Apr 17 2011 by Catalin, 11 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Mar 19 2011 13:45
by Catalin
Joined on Thu, Feb 20 2003, Ontario, Canada, Posts 51

This "feature" was added as of build 7516.

Is it possible to please make it optional (via preferences)?

I think many users would normally use different sounds (patches) in different matrixes' cells so why would these cells be synced? I understand the reasoning with the Brass Dimenssion though...That's why making the sync ("cell linking")  optional would be much appreciated.

Going back to build 7349 for now.....

Posted on Sun, Mar 20 2011 10:12
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12889

Hello Catalin,

We are looking into this already!

Thanks for your patience,

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Mar 20 2011 17:21
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 As I have only used VI Pro since build 7516, I have not come across the term cell linking, so what does cell linking actually do, the manual doesn't mention it, and what happens without cell linking?

Posted on Sun, Mar 20 2011 17:54
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12889

Hi Andy,

VI used to jump to the first cell of a matrix whenever your switched matrices (A3 jumps back to A1 in the new matrix).

With VI PRO and Dimension Brass, this was changed to keep the cell in the same position as before when switching to a different matrix (A3 stays A3).

Best,

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Mar 20 2011 18:36
by Catalin
Joined on Thu, Feb 20 2003, Ontario, Canada, Posts 51

Hi Paul,

Not exactly...in the past (build 7349 and earlier) the matrix will remember its cell position. For example: select matrix1 and switch to A3. Then change to matrix2 (yes, now being the first time matrix2 is accessed, it will naturally go to the first cell = A1=default). If you then select A5 within this matrix2, and THEN go back to the previous matrix1, this will still be in A3 position. But in the current build of VIPro (linked cells), going back to matrix1 will result in position A5 - i.e. matrix1 doesn't remember it was in "A3" position before switching to matrix2.

Why would one prefer the way it was before (with the non-linked cells)? Well, let's consider an example: matrix1 loaded with short articulations (from stacatto to portato, etc...) and matrix2 loaded with fast repetitions. You have a phrase and need to switch back and forth between portato 0.5s and fast repetition of 180 BPM. Once you set matrix1 to A3 (for example, loaded with 0.5s) and matrix2 to A2 (for 180BPM fast repetition) then you only need ONE SINGLE keyswitch to switch between the two articulations.In the present (un-linked cells), you will need the whole combination of two or even three keyswitches inserted for EVERY jump from one articulation to another. This also goes for the A/B switching.

So, Paul, if I may note, it is very important that the matrix will "remember" its state (cell position) that it had before "losing focus" (moving to another matrix), and not automatically/always going to the first cell. Naturally this will happen though the first time the matrix is accessed (and before having the chance to move to cell XY). Just like it was in 7349.

Not sure if I could described the scenario clearly...please ask if there are questions about what I meant ;)

Posted on Sun, Mar 20 2011 21:24
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600
Catalin wrote:

For example: select matrix1 and switch to A3. Then change to matrix2 //. If you then select A5 within this matrix2, and THEN go back to the previous matrix1, this will still be in A3 position. But in the current build of VIPro (linked cells), going back to matrix1 will result in position A5 - i.e. matrix1 doesn't remember it was in "A3" position before switching to matrix2.

 

OK, I see what linked cells has to do with now, but when I tried the above example, it doesn't do as described above, I found VI Pro (build 7846) does remember which was the active cell, and switching matrices goes from A3 to A5, each matrix remembered where it was at.

But I did find it all goes a bit odd, if you have used a CC to control cell selection. As VI Pro seems to carry the current CC position to the newly selected matrix, which does make the cell selection seem a bit random, but it is applying the current CC position to the new matrix, perhaps VI Pro should remember the X/Y/A-B axis values before switching matrices,  then it would always go back to the right cell.

Posted on Tue, Mar 22 2011 11:40
by Catalin
Joined on Thu, Feb 20 2003, Ontario, Canada, Posts 51

Thank you, Vienna team!

Posted on Tue, Mar 22 2011 12:58
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12889

Hi,

we will add an option here.

Just wanted to mention: With linked cells in VI PRO, the position only stays the same when you switche between matrices that are the same size.

If the sizes are different, the chosen cell (e.g., B7) will stay selected when you navigate to another matrix. So when you return to that matrix, B7 will still be the selected cell.

There will be options for this with the next update. 

Best,

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Apr 12 2011 18:54
by Catalin
Joined on Thu, Feb 20 2003, Ontario, Canada, Posts 51
Paul wrote:
There will be options for this with the next update. 

A new version, 8008, is out but it doesn't seem to have the option you said it would. Unless I am missing something?...

I was so looking forward to this update (for this particular feature) and I am now a bit dissapointed.

I am reverting back to build 7349 (like 3 or 4 generations back)!!

Best,

Catalin

Posted on Tue, Apr 12 2011 19:05
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12889

Hello Catalin,

sorry to see you disappointed. These changes simply didn´t make it to this update, but it´s high on the to-do-list.

My apologies, there´s VERY much going on right now and I´m sure we can catch up quickly.

Best,

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Apr 17 2011 14:43
by Catalin
Joined on Thu, Feb 20 2003, Ontario, Canada, Posts 51

Thank you, Paul.

Great job on the new extended downloadable instruments.

I do hope that the broken feature we are talking about here gets fixed on the next release.

May I reiterate that what I think we need here is a new parameter in the VE Pro's Preferences page that will switch the "cell linking in matrixes with same dimensions" OFF or ON. This will correspond to the old behavior (that I believe many users still need) versus the new behavior (useful for using the Dimension Brass library).

Best regards,

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