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Understanding P, mf, f ,ff
Last post Fri, Jun 01 2012 by noldar12, 5 replies.
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Posted on Wed, May 30 2012 03:57
by mazeka
Joined on Thu, Feb 08 2007, USA, Posts 241


To keep the tone consistance between the atriculation among the velocity levels; would I be correct if i use the f level  of all articulation and will get the same tone among all articulation?

Posted on Wed, May 30 2012 06:48
by EP
Joined on Wed, Dec 10 2008, Posts 48

 Not really.   Some instruments are more consistent than others.   Instruments such as the Vienna horn become very brassy in forte (109-127) and at this dynamic level the sustain patch gets considerablely brassier than the other patches such legato.   I'm still trying to find a way to work around this problem.

Posted on Wed, May 30 2012 19:16
by gerard kruse
Joined on Sat, Apr 25 2009, Leiden, The Netherlands, Posts 102


Not playing an instrument, I have assumed that VSL has given the recorded sample velocites the appropriate dynamics indication for each instruments, that is, as the instrumentalist would play it if given the dynamics symbol in a score. And, that VSL has used these indication accordingly in the manuals in the velocity - dynamics tables. With these tables I have made for each instrument, a dynamics mapping in Cubase dynamics. Writing for the instruments, I use these "original" dynamics for each instrument as I find suitable in the music. But the "original" dynamics varies considerably, in my opinion, between instruments, as you find also.


Posted on Thu, May 31 2012 09:49
by mazeka
Joined on Thu, Feb 08 2007, USA, Posts 241

I been using Orchestral string alot in the last few weeks, and I am reailizing how inconsistant the atriculation in terms of velocity and tone,

Take the performance Legato for example or the fast performance,

Legato 88 matches sustain 88

Legato 127 does not match sustain 127

There are many other examples ,

Its really great having the articulation choices, but i would expect the tone of the articulation at p, mf, f, ff to all match in tone and level.

So I guess its time for a new STRINGS SECTION library

Posted on Fri, Jun 01 2012 01:42
by noldar12
Joined on Thu, Dec 04 2008, Posts 582

Mazeka, there are actually good reasons why the velocities of each patch do not match.  Depending on the type of bowstroke/technique used, maximum velocities will be different.  For example, a strong marcato will give a much loader sound than a strong spicatto, as a string player can put more weight into the bow for a marcato than is possible when bouncing the bow for a spicatto or stacatto.  Thus, a 127 spicatto will be different than a 127 marcato.  Generally, a strong sustain might be louder than a strong legato, given necessary bow speed/note length/technique used when playing legato, but that is a tougher situation (and I tend to agree that the loudest legatos are a bit soft).

It is possible to even out velocities between the patches by adjusting the individual patches, but that has the drawback of limiting the actual velocities that a player can produce for some of the bowstrokes.  In the end, if some adjustments are needed for a final mock-up, that might best be done in a sequencing program.

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