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  • Velocity Crossfade vs. Key Velocity

    This is probably a newbie question, but I'm a bit confused on how and when to use Velocity Crossfade. The way I understand it, when I turn on velocity crossfade and assign a continuous controller to it, VI now ignores the velocity that the actual key is outputting and simply uses whatever the velocity is currently set to via the position of the continuous controller.

    This works great for sustained notes (like brass) for crescendos because it changes the timbre as it gets louder, and therefore much more realistic than simply increasing volume. But I think you lose some expressiveness because now the notes don't have that natural velocity variation when you play normal lines (i.e. not sustained/crescendos), like a real musician would have. So it seems you lose something very important when you turn it on.

    First of all - is my description of velocity x-fade correct?

    If it is correct, is there any way to assign a controller or key to turn velocity-xfade on/off? It seems like I want it off if I'm playing normally, but I want it on when I want to do swells/crescendos.

    Any suggestion/corrections are much appreciated... thanks!

    Andy


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    Hello Andy,

    You are right, Velocity Xfade makes most sense when playing dynamically, and it depends a lot on the playing style.

    Did you check out the new Vienna Instruments Interface yet? You can switch Velocity Xfade off/on for each patch separately, if you like [:)]

    Here is a link to the Video Tutorials.

    Best,

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Another User said:

    First of all - is my description of velocity x-fade correct?

    If it is correct, is there any way to assign a controller or key to turn velocity-xfade on/off? It seems like I want it off if I'm playing normally, but I want it on when I want to do swells/crescendos.[/quote

    Andy

     

    You can turn it on and off via a controller. You can also set it to be on or off on a patch by patch basis, so, for example, you could have it on for legato sounds, and off for staccatos. there is also the equivalent of an over-ride button, so that you can change your mind on the fly.

    DG


  • Thanks Paul. Maybe that's what I'm missing - I have the older version of VI, does it allow switching x-fade via controller? I couldn't see how to do that.


  • Thanks DG. Doesn't that get a little tricky switching between a patch that has x-fade and one that doesn't? If im playing along w/a patch that has it off, then quickly key-switch to a patch that has it on - seems like that could pretty un-natural sounding if the controller happened to be set way up or down when you made the switch? 


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    Hi Andy, 

    @andysmi said:

    I have the older version of VI, does it allow switching x-fade via controller?

    Yes, you can assign a controller to the "on/off" button, but of course it´s much more comfortable to use the new features in the new VI. 

    This way you can, e.g, load the same patch twice, once with VEL XF "on", once with VEL XF "off". Shared memory loading  makes sure that all samples are only loaded once. 

    But there is not "one way to do it", there are many ways and there are many approaches out there. The best idea is to play around a bit and see what works best for you!

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Hi Andy, 

    @andysmi said:

    I have the older version of VI, does it allow switching x-fade via controller?

    Yes, you can assign a controller to the "on/off" button, but of course it´s much more comfortable to use the new features in the new VI. 

    This way you can, e.g, load the same patch twice, once with VEL XF "on", once with VEL XF "off". Shared memory loading  makes sure that all samples are only loaded once. 

    But there is not "one way to do it", there are many ways and there are many approaches out there. The best idea is to play around a bit and see what works best for you!

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @andysmi said:

    Thanks DG. Doesn't that get a little tricky switching between a patch that has x-fade and one that doesn't? If im playing along w/a patch that has it off, then quickly key-switch to a patch that has it on - seems like that could pretty un-natural sounding if the controller happened to be set way up or down when you made the switch? 

    Yes, this could happen. However, just because a controller is left too high, it doesn't mean that you can't alter it.  [;)]

    DG


  • Thanks everyone for your help!


  • Hello Andy

    Even if you seem to be happy with all the answers...

    here you can probably get some further information about Key-Velocity (by touching the midi keyboard for example) and X-Velocity (by drawing a controller curve or recording it with a midi controller)

    Link: http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vi-tips--tricks-3/index.php  (Choose No 24. A)   24. B)   24. C)

    There are also music example.

    Have fun and success!

    All the best

    Beat


    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/