With VI PRO 2 are still there some phase problems using VSL SEviolins for creating 1st and 2nd violins in the orchestra? I should use another Sample Library like LASS for 2nd violins or i have other choices for a realistic sound?
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Creating 2nd violins with VSL SE in VI PRO 2
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I typically use a larger group, like 'Appassionata' Strings, as my 1st violins, and then a smaller group 'Orchestral or Chamber' as a 2nd violin. You need to turn down the mix level of the 2nd violins a bit in order for it to sound homogenous but i find that this works.
Right now I'm trying to figure out how to best use the Dimension Strings as a larger section, I'll probably combine it with Chamber strings.
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In terms of the SE violins (assuming you have SE 1 only), the traditional method of creating a 2nd violin section is as follows:
1) After the piece is completed transpose the 2nd violin part down a whole step (or up if you prefer). So if the piece is in C major, change the 2nd violin part to Bb major.
2) Use pitch bend and raise the 2nd violin part up a whole step (assuming you transposed the 2nd violin part down a whole step), to get the part back to correct concert pitch.
3) The result is a 2nd violin part that will always use different samples than the first violin part when playing unison notes, thus no phasing.
Note: in SE since the samples are a whole step apart, the transposition needs to be a whole step. When using the full libraries, transposing by a half step is sufficient since samples are chromatic in the full libraries.
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Hi ! I'm trying to avoid the phase problem with 2nd violins since I own Special Edition only. From your post, everything makes sense to me but I have some doubts:
2) Use pitch bend and raise the 2nd violin part up a whole step (assuming you transposed the 2nd violin part down a whole step), to get the part back to correct concert pitch.
Here is my problem. Where do I apply the pitch bend change ? I am not sure about this... Thanks for your support and Happy New Year to everyone !
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@ultrazone said:
Here is my problem. Where do I apply the pitch bend change ? I am not sure about this...Hi Ultrazone
Have a look here: http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vi-tips--tricks-2/index.php#7222669d04101e406
Unfortunately there are images of the "old VI" but search for the parameters within VIPro and it will work.
I'll try to exchange the images this weekend with the current GUI.
You also find the possibility of transpose the tones just a halfe tone. Please keep in mind that the SE-Library is comming with whole tone steps.
So it is really necessary to use the whole-tone-step-transposing-procedure for getting the same melody played with another sample.
A lot of success!
Beat
- Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/ -
...Unfortunately there are images of the "old VI" but search for the parameters within VIPro and it will work. I'll try to exchange the images this weekend with the current GUI...
New GUI is installed [H]
http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vi-tips--tricks-2/index.php#7222669d04101e406
Have fun
Beat
- Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/ -
The pitch bend would be applied to the same part that you just transposed down a step.
Note that you don't want to transpose any of the keyswitches (if you are using them) when you transpose the actual part down. To simplify things I normally keep the keyswitiches separate from the part itself, and only combine the two after I've transposed the part itself. I generally do all of these steps in a notation program, prior to using a sequencer, but then I prefer doing as much as possible in notaiton. One can just as easily use two tracks in a sequencer. The pitch bend has no effect on the keyswitches, as those are not sounding notes.
