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DS Violin Trills difficulties
Last post Fri, Jun 14 2013 by niversen, 5 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Jun 13 2013 22:37
by niversen
Joined on Tue, Jun 04 2013, Posts 8

DS is my first Vienna library, so I may be doing something wrong in VI Pro, but I have other articulations working just fine.

When I load the 02 VI-P1_RE_L2_Art-Combi matrix, the "V1 F1" position of the matrix is supposed to have legato performance trills in it. I don't get a trill, but a sustained single note. The same is true down the column.

If I create a new matrix and load just the V1-P1 RE_perf-trill_leg patch, I get the exact same behavior, so I am wondering if this means that the underlying patch is pointed to the wrong samples.

Interestingly, if I load the 31P V1-All_RE_perf_trills matrix, it loads up a huge matrix of trills, mordents, etc.  These patches seem to work, but I am looking for trills on a minor 2nd, and every one of these is a major 2nd. How do I get the minor 2nd trills that I'm sure are here somewhere? They are listed as present in the manual. Happily, there are more presets, matrices, and patches than listed in the manual, and they seem easy to navigate and understand, but I am wondering if there is something wrong, or if I'm missing the obvious.

Thanks!

Nathanael

i9-9900K @ 4.7Ghz
64GB RAM, lots of SSDs
Win10
VI PRO, Vienna Ensemble
Posted on Fri, Jun 14 2013 00:04
by niversen
Joined on Tue, Jun 04 2013, Posts 8

Interestingly, if I start a trill on B, it trills up the half-step to C. Likewise, if I start on E, it trills up half step to F.  But if I start on F#, it trills up a whole step to G#...  

Also, If I trill from Eb, it trills to E, similarly from Bb to B.  All other keys trill a whole step up.  

Does this mean that I am supposed to transpose a cell in the matrix to get m2 trills on other keys?  I did a quick check, and this can be done with pitch-bend - I was able to "bend" the E start note up to an F#, and then I got the F#-to-G trill I was looking for, but it doesn't integrate in with the line properly and sticks out.  I'm hoping there is a different solution than this pitch-bend thing.

This is all with the V1-All_RE_perf-trills Matrix.  

Nathanael

i9-9900K @ 4.7Ghz
64GB RAM, lots of SSDs
Win10
VI PRO, Vienna Ensemble
Posted on Fri, Jun 14 2013 12:36
by The Minstrel
Joined on Fri, Oct 16 2009, Sweden, Posts 94

Hi Niversen and welcome to the forum,

The performance trill legato patches are meant to be played. They are just like the other legato patches, apart from the legato transitions being really short to allow for realistic thrills, mordents and such.

The matrix 31P V1-All_RE_perf_trills matrix uses VI Pros internal sequencer to trigger pre programmed sequences of thrills and mordents at the touch of one key.

Hope this makes it more clear.

Posted on Fri, Jun 14 2013 15:05
by bhartmann
Joined on Thu, Mar 10 2011, Posts 170

 This response helps me as well.  Good to know.

The Mighty Konrad
Posted on Fri, Jun 14 2013 15:50
by niversen
Joined on Tue, Jun 04 2013, Posts 8

Thank you!  It sure felt like I was missing something simple!  Even with the pre-recorded trills, I was thinking, now I have to figure out how to modulate the rate...  Being able to just play them makes loads of sense, because I can just play the trill with the right feel.

Nathanael

i9-9900K @ 4.7Ghz
64GB RAM, lots of SSDs
Win10
VI PRO, Vienna Ensemble
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