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  • [SOLVED] Cross fade question..

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    M

    O.K. I'm sure there is a solution to this problem.  I want to have a legato violin end in a fade.I load up violin legato and in the b section the dynamic 4 sec violin crescendo / decrescendo, crossfade is engaged.I want the decrescendo which means I need to engage the A/B switch to B. However the  dynamic string patch needs to see the  A/B switch  before  the hit to crossfade the patch.. So, my violin legato sound before the last note is portamento.    How can I set the dynamic patch to decrescendo (B)  and ignore the A/B switch so I can hit the last note and crossfade to a decrescendo.  I guess I need to have the legato string patch ignore the A/B/ switch as well since I don'r want portamento ……  How can I achieve what I want to do?

    Thanks

    Mike
  • D
    D

    You can set all of this up in the VI player, assuming that you always want to ignore the A patch.

    DG
  • M
    M

    Could you be a bit more in detail.... I see the "none" on the A/B switch but the patch was in the crescendo mode and would not do the de cresendo.   How can one set this up in  the VI player.  If you could give me some example, I'll work from there.

    Mike
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    G

     Mike,

    Not sure you can do this the way you're envisioning. This is a very particular instance where both patches have A/B articulations 'built-in' and you need to play the opposite on each slot.

    I take you'd like the crescendos specifically to occur at the end of a legato phrase. I'd typically not use a dynamic patch for that, but use expression (or Vel XFade). But if that is what you'd like, have you considered switching from your plain legato patch to a perf_rep+dynamic "patch" for that last note? Just as if you were triggering the A/B with a keyswitch, you'd switch to this decrescendo matrix cell for the last note. You'd still have the legato feeling provided by the perf_rep articulation, automatically ending in the decrescendo articulation.

    Hope you grasp the core of what I'm suggesting, but let me know if this is unclear.
  • M
    M

    Thank you Gusfmm…  Yes! that worked I was able to achieve a nice decrescendo using the pref_rep.   Much easier  and works!!!!

    May I follow up on a another question....

    You said something about the Vel Xfade.  Could you  give me an example using  a patch and using the Vel Xfade slider…   Sometimes I want the strings to end naturally.  Not by lifting the keyboard note, but just ending like the crescendo/ decrescendos  patches.  How can this be accomplished, as you stated using the Vel Xfade? 
    Many thanks again for responding to my problem.  I just want to make sure I have all my options open to me..
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     Glad you figured it out!

    The alternative then would be using Vel-XFading (or expression). I think a good deal of people use it as their preferred way to shape dynamic lines. Beat Kaufman has a very informative article on how Vel-Xfade 'works' in VSL's implementation- in a nutshell, seems to be a combination of dynamic layer xfading and volume increase (or decrease). The recorded layer xfading doesn't typically give you a natural transition in solo instruments, so what I've adopted to do as a practice in most situations is simply use expression for dynamics, unless it is for a very broad dynamic change and a non-solo library (with multiple instruments, the transition effect gets more subtly blended in).

    Several ways to do this:

    - on your DAW, create a controller lane assigned to Vel-XFade (by default CC2 on VIP, or expression CC11) and draw in the Vel-XFade curve by hand (what I do 97% of the time).

    - sometimes you can reassign CC on your MIDI controller, so maybe you can reassign the modwheel to CC2, or alternatively reassign CC1 to Vel-XFade on VIP.

    - (sorry this is specific to Cubase) program a MIDI transformer to receive CC1 from your controller and send it as CC2 to VIP.

    - use another external controller to manipulate these CC's (in my case, 3% of the time). E.g. Novation ZERO SL mkII, Korg Nano's, Steinberger's CMC's, some keyboards with controller faders, JazzMutant Lemur's, etc....

    You've got to try and see how Vel-XFading (or expression) fairs soundwise vs. the use of a dynamic articulation. I prefer the flexibility of the former.
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    M

    Thanks again... I was able to experment with Vel-Xfade and was intrested in the several ways to control the slider.  All the controllers are great but, I agree, by hand is the best.  Thanks  for the time to reply...

    Mike