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Assigning midi channels to a multi channel plugin in VEpro 5
Last post Fri, Nov 22 2013 by Conquer, 15 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 10:36
by ghuinink
Joined on Tue, Jan 16 2007, Posts 77

Hi,

If this is already been answerd, i'm sorry, but i couldn't find it.

If you load a multichannel plugin like EW-Play you can assign a midi port and channel and add the extra audio output-channels with the + in the mixer. but in the appearing sub-channels there is no possibility to assign a dedicated midi-channel. How can you approach them separately with your DAW?

Thanks.

Geert.

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 15:16
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812

Hi Geert, as far as I know the MIDI channel assignment is done in Play's interface - having loaded multiple instruments into Play, you click on each of their names and assign them different MIDI channels on the GUI. Same approach with Kontakt, except in Kontakt each loaded instrument has its own interface.

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 15:39
by ghuinink
Joined on Tue, Jan 16 2007, Posts 77

ehm, that was not really my question....

you can not use the individual channels in Play you need to set it to Omni to get it working.... the individual channel is assigned in VE itself on the channel.... and when you create separate audio-ouputs with the + there is no oppertunity to assign a midi channel to that sub-oudio-output

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 15:58
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Unfortunately your question is not clear. I don't know what you mean
by assigning a MIDI channel to an audio output. Do you mean that you
have various outputs within PLAY that you want to route separately out of VEP?

DG

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Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 16:19
by ghuinink
Joined on Tue, Jan 16 2007, Posts 77

Here you can see in the selected "Percussionplay" channel that i created 4 extra sub outputs with the + on the channel  (percssnply2/3/4/5)

The difference between the main and sub channels is that is has a MIDI input whwere the subs dont

So you can route timpany to output 1/2, cymbal to 3/4, gong to 5/6 in the Play interface, but there is no way to individually trigger them, because the whole play plugin only gets 1 MIDI channel assigned from VE5, the sub-outputs are not having the same MIDI channel select option.

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 16:21
by ghuinink
Joined on Tue, Jan 16 2007, Posts 77

oh, i added a screenshot which i dont see at the moment

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 17:27
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812

>You can not use the individual channels in Play you need to set it to Omni to get it working....

I don't have VE Pro5, but I can load multiple instruments into Play in VEPro 4 and assign them different audio outputs and different MIDI channels. Setting any of the instruments' MIDI channels to Omni means it will play all the other instruments' parts.

Maybe I've misunderstood the issue, but a simple test would be to load timpani, cymbal and gong into one instance of Play in VE Pro5, set them to MIDI channels 1, 2 and 3 respectively in the Play GUI (you know how to do that, right?) and then play them individually by selecting the appropriate MIDI transmit channel on your master keyboard.

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 17:37
by ghuinink
Joined on Tue, Jan 16 2007, Posts 77

I am talking the whole time about Play from within VE5... i know that outside you can route midi channels, but inside VE5 you can only assign one channel to one instrument..... and it would be more handy if the separate outputs of an instrument plugin could recieve different midi channels so it would become multi timbral again.

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 17:57
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

I can't hep you with PLAY, because I no longer have it. However, with Kontakt I can easily assign multiple MIDI channels to one instance so I would suggest that you contact the Soundsonline support team, as it seems to be a PLAY specific problem.

DG

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Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 18:08
by ghuinink
Joined on Tue, Jan 16 2007, Posts 77

how can u apply multiple channenls IN VE5 to kontakt, because kontakt only gets assigned one channel in VE5?

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 18:09
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 938

There's no problem assigning multiple channels to one instance of Play; not sure where you're having trouble. You select the Port and Channel on the lefthand pane. By default they are both set to "All".

On the other hand, using individual instance for each channel is what many prefer.

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Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 18:21
by ghuinink
Joined on Tue, Jan 16 2007, Posts 77

once more.... i'm taking about an instance WITHIN VE5 not just in the DAW

and my question is "why is it possible to have multiple audio channel extensions when you use a multi timbral plugin in VE5 but why is it not possible to give them a dedicated MIDI channel, because only the main channel you can set to a port and channel nr."

And if you assign  a midi port and channel to a plugin, it only uses that single midi channel, and you have to put your plugin settings to OMNI or else it does not recieve the MIDI data...

Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 18:40
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 938

Yes, I'm talking about INSIDE VEP...

You set the channel in Play to match the one assigned in VEP.

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Posted on Thu, Nov 21 2013 18:46
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
ghuinink wrote:

how can u apply multiple channenls IN VE5 to kontakt, because kontakt only gets assigned one channel in VE5?

  1. Set Port in VEP
  2. Set MIDI channel to Omni in VEP
  3. Set required individual MIDI channel in Kontakt.

DG

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Posted on Fri, Nov 22 2013 00:09
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812

ghuinink wrote:
"why is it possible to have multiple audio channel extensions when you use a multi timbral plugin in VE5 but why is it not possible to give them a dedicated MIDI channel, because only the main channel you can set to a port and channel nr."

I'm guessing that the multiple Play audio outputs you create inside VE Pro5 are there only for audio processing and mixing purposes, and that the MIDI assignments are done elsewhere. I think you should try the simple test I suggested earlier, it will only take a minute or two - load the three instruments into one instance of Play inside VE Pro5, assign the three instruments to MIDI channels 1, 2 & 3 repectively in Play's interface but leave the main channel assigned by VE set to Omni (it should then read 'All'). You then need to select the right MIDI channel for each instrument on your master keyboard. I just did this in VE Pro4 and it works.

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