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Last post Sat, Mar 01 2014 by kleinholgi, 5 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Feb 28 2014 19:16
by Pyre
Joined on Thu, Jun 28 2012, Posts 151
Hi all,

I'm working on a project with Vienna Choir, bringing to life a piece I had written on Sibelius. However, because the piece was written using general MIDI, its notes stayed roughly the same volume as the pitch got higher, whereas Vienna Choir behaves more realistically with notes getting louder as they get higher.

Is there any way to disable that function, so the volume has a flatter response across the pitch range? It sounds great as it gets louder, but it doesn't fit very well with the dynamics of the piece as I wrote it, and at the moment I'm having to counter the volume increase using CC 11.

Many thanks,


Pyre
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor, 3.59 Ghz
64 GB RAM
1 TB hard drive for audio, 4 TB hard drive for libraries, 1x 256 GB SSD for OS
Audient iD14 4-in 2-out USB interface
Korg Triton Extreme-76 master keyboard, M-Audio MidAir-25 lap keyboard.

Windows 10 Pro, Cubase 10.5 Pro
VSL Symphonic Cube (Full library), Vienna Choir (standard library), Vienna Solo Voices (standard library), Vienna Imperial, Konzerthaus Organ, and download instruments Recorders, Harpsichord, Basset Horn and Contrabass Clarinet.
Vienna Instruments Pro 2.5.18635 and Vienna Ensemble Pro 5.4.16181
Vienna Suite, Vienna MIR and room packs 1-5
Sibelius 7 and Komplete 8
All 64-bit.
Posted on Fri, Feb 28 2014 19:22
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7882

The keyboard volume graph is most likely what you need ... see p.60 of VI Pro 2 Manual ... ;-)

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Feb 28 2014 22:41
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1763

Hi Pyre

Just to mention it: Best would be to use the X-Velocity (and CC11).

The louder the singers the more are the louder samples used which leads to a very natural forte and piano sound.

But this is probably not possible within Sibelius - don't really know.

A lot of success

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
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Posted on Sat, Mar 01 2014 03:25
by Pyre
Joined on Thu, Jun 28 2012, Posts 151
Hi Dietz and Beat,

Thanks very much for your replies! On a Friday night, too!

The keyboard volume graph seems to be working best, I should have thought of that before, sorry. Once that is all set up then I should be able to input smooth Velocity Crossfade lines without having to worry about lower notes being quieter. Beat makes a good point about the natural forte and piano sounds, I will let you know how this turns out once I have applied it across all registers.

I'm now drawing out the keyboard volume graphs, which seem to need to be a bit different for each articulation to get them just right. It's amazingly helpful that VI Pro can assign a different volume graph to each slot, so I can still crossfade between articulations without worrying about differing volumes.

Thanks again for your help, that's saved me hours of work trying to balance things out.


Pyre
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor, 3.59 Ghz
64 GB RAM
1 TB hard drive for audio, 4 TB hard drive for libraries, 1x 256 GB SSD for OS
Audient iD14 4-in 2-out USB interface
Korg Triton Extreme-76 master keyboard, M-Audio MidAir-25 lap keyboard.

Windows 10 Pro, Cubase 10.5 Pro
VSL Symphonic Cube (Full library), Vienna Choir (standard library), Vienna Solo Voices (standard library), Vienna Imperial, Konzerthaus Organ, and download instruments Recorders, Harpsichord, Basset Horn and Contrabass Clarinet.
Vienna Instruments Pro 2.5.18635 and Vienna Ensemble Pro 5.4.16181
Vienna Suite, Vienna MIR and room packs 1-5
Sibelius 7 and Komplete 8
All 64-bit.
Posted on Sat, Mar 01 2014 13:40
by kleinholgi
Joined on Sat, May 09 2009, Posts 171

Not sure about Sibelius, but most often the software also comes with a lot of options to manipulate Midi volumes.

I sometimes have the same problem with an old DX7 keyboard,kown for its non standard Midi Volume output. Usually it is no problem to transform the input and output to your own taste or the needs of the VST plugin. In Cubase you can even set a compression ratio for it.

In the VST it is possible as well. Then you only change the resonse behaviour of the "slave", not altering the input data stream.

Greets

tmm

P.S.: When reading "Friday night" ....my mind actually continues with "...in San Francisco".

R.I.P. Paco :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C97H_HvBjPA

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