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Posted on Fri, Jan 05 2018 21:55
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11531

Hello everybody, 

I have just added a quick video about the available Legato Options for Synchron Strings

You will also find a new way to sculpt the legato transition: Legato Blur, Default CC: 33, available with the latest versions of your Vienna Instruments / Vienna Instruments PRO

Give it a try!

Best, 
Paul

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Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 05 2018 22:21
by djw
Joined on Thu, Jun 25 2015, Posts 36

Good demo video. This shows the importance of new options like these for the library, and makes me excited for what the Synchron Player will be able to do with it.

Posted on Fri, Jan 05 2018 22:43
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 219

Legato blur!  

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Posted on Fri, Jan 05 2018 23:46
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 262

Great explanation, let's try it now...

Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 00:11
by saxmand
Joined on Wed, May 06 2009, Posts 61

Always cool to see new innovations!! 
Is there a difference of the new Legato Blur instead of a bit of Release before VIP 2.4.16779? 

Personally I'm really sad to see the change of the Release fader, since I'm using it daily to crossfade articulations, with a mix of Release and Attack. I could make a legato patch end out with on a dynamic patch note by crossfading, but with the changed behaviour of the Release, this is not possible

Best wishes

Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 01:02
by MikeGraybill
Joined on Wed, Mar 05 2003, Posts 1

Neat, thanks for the good videos. Synchron sounds really nice.

Does the new cc33 Legato Blur functionality work on older libraries like Chamber Strings and such? I noticed the feature in the software update earlier today and came to see what it was all about. (Guess I can just try it out and see if anything happens too, but asking anyway.)

Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 01:24
by djw
Joined on Thu, Jun 25 2015, Posts 36
Originally Posted by: MikeGraybill Go to Quoted Post
Does the new cc33 Legato Blur functionality work on older libraries like Chamber Strings and such? I noticed the feature in the software update earlier today and came to see what it was all about. (Guess I can just try it out and see if anything happens too, but asking anyway.)


I tried it with Chamber Strings but I could hear no difference.
Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 07:05
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11531

Hi, 

Glad to hear you like it!

Here's what is happening in the background: You are scaling the P.Release value you can set for each SLOT separately  (see atached screenshot). The underlying value is always manually adjusted in the mapping process. 

With Legato Blur, you have a contuinuous controller now that lets you scale this value and affect all loaded legatos in your VI / VIPro instance. 

Best,
Paul

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Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 08:23
by HSM1
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Frankfurt, Germany, Posts 33


Well done, very nice feature!

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Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 09:23
by Valkyria
Joined on Wed, Apr 02 2014, Seoul, Korea, Posts 14

I installed the latest version of VI PRO and VE PRO, but CC33 (Legato Blur) didn't appear in the preset. Of course I restarted the program. How could it be possible to be adjusted CC33 ? Does anyone who had this issue ?

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Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 11:18
by knechtodawas
Joined on Mon, Aug 22 2011, Posts 18

Originally Posted by: Valkyria Go to Quoted Post

I installed the latest version of VI PRO and VE PRO, but CC33 (Legato Blur) didn't appear in the preset. Of course I restarted the program. How could it be possible to be adjusted CC33 ? Does anyone who had this issue ?

 

You have to click on the designation of an existing controller (e.g. "Start Offset") and select Legato Blur from the selection list.

Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 12:12
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 151

Hi Paul,

Great demo, thank you for this.

It looks like we'll be able to cover an extremely wide range of strings expression playing with all these parameters, the usual ones and this new Blur feature. A wider range I never heard anywhere else. I have to say I own the Orchestral Cube for years, Appassionata, Dimension Strings I and Dim Brass, all extended ones but... I quite never use my VSL for strings, layering two other strings libraries that sounded more versatile to me.

I was intimately hoping I could go back to VSL strings with the Synchron (it has not been the case with the Dimension). And I feel like I surely will and am happy to ! I'm really impressed by the sound, pure and rich, together now with the wide expression capabilities.

About the matrices, I had first considered the f/s/m/l matrices on a RAM point of view only, thank you so much for having clarified about the huge velXfade definition feature, I get it now ! I noticed the steps in full matrix velXfade that required some annoying following editing to get a more fluid cresc/diminuendo. So, again, thanks for giving answers to some questions or worries I had about :)

I think the staff did a great job, keep on :)

Alain

Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 12:33
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
Originally Posted by: javajam Go to Quoted Post
<p>... <br><br>I was intimately hoping I could go back to VSL strings with the Synchron (it has not been the case with the Dimension). <br><br>Alain</p>


Hi, that‘s interesting. Could you mention why the dimensions did not do the job for your needs? Was complexity the problem or that this ensemble does not sound rich/big enough for some compositions?

@Paul ... the new Synchron features are perfect ;). Thank you ALL.
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Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 12:51
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 151

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
Could you mention why the dimensions did not do the job for your needs? Was complexity the problem or that this ensemble does not sound rich/big enough for some compositions?


I ended up with using the Dimension in a 2 desks setup. I sometimes layered them upon another library to get some precision in fast lines i.e. I didn't work and search a lot within Dim so my opinion might be uncomplete but I didn't get large legatos sounding as I expected. And the major issue to me was the lack of 2nd violins, I had to use this boring transposition trick by 1 tone.

It feel like Synchron are way beyond Dimension (sound and playability) but when I have some time to I'll have a deeper look back on Dimension ;-)

Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 13:02
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
I was never happy with Transposition Trick results too and mixed the dimension strings with the Chamber Strings, which works well.
Great that we have second Violins now out of the box.
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Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 19:44
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1026

Thank you Paul and entire VSL Team (that goes for all the people working on giving us this programming, materiel etc. that no one knows even exists).

I can hear a very nice difference!  Thank you for this improvement and the many more to come.

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Posted on Sat, Jan 06 2018 22:23
by djw
Joined on Thu, Jun 25 2015, Posts 36
Can we expect this feature to become available for non-Synchron libraries at some point?
Posted on Sun, Jan 07 2018 02:59
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1055

"...for non-Synchron libraries...."

I haven't loaded this yet, but Paul's jpg snapshot shows it working with a non-Synchron library, in this case the Chamber Violins. If I understand the feature correctly, it's enabing us to control performance release (P.Rel) per slot on a real-time basis. The initial setting is manual in the Advanced view, and the user-defined CC scales the manual setting while performing. 

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Posted on Sun, Jan 07 2018 09:34
by saxmand
Joined on Wed, May 06 2009, Posts 61

Originally Posted by: saxmand Go to Quoted Post

...Personally I'm really sad to see the change of the Release fader, since I'm using it daily to crossfade articulations, with a mix of Release and Attack...

Glad to correct myself here. It's a clever release function that only get ignored on legato patches :)
So the crossfading concept and changing to other articulations still works. 
Wuhuu. Awesome programing VSL team. 

Posted on Tue, Jan 09 2018 11:53
by V_ad_im
Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2011, Posts 127

in my opinion, the best "legato" patch in SyStrings at current state of library is no legato patches, but "long notes soft" patch.. It more close to target legato sound, that I want to listen.. I am not see, that "legato blur" feature improves anything..

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