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Another Nelhybel for concert band
Last post Sun, Jan 19 2020 by Acclarion, 8 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jan 14 2020 02:10
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5428

This is my favorite of Nelhybels pieces - I am posting this because VSL can be used just as much for concert band music as orchestral.  I first heard this years ago and stopped dead in my tracks listening to it, because it was shockingly different from the usual pleasant conventional band music one normally hears.    

TRITTICO

Posted on Tue, Jan 14 2020 08:48
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 332
This is great music. I can imagine also a real pleasure to play it. Thanks for sharing this (this piece but alsof the 10 trombone piece).
Posted on Wed, Jan 15 2020 15:50
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 490

Yet another gem.  This is a powerful and intense work and an eye opener to the diversity of concert band rep, especially for those of us that are quite ignorant to what's out there, beyond the conventional rep as you mentioned.

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Posted on Sat, Jan 18 2020 02:47
by tchampe
Joined on Wed, Apr 25 2018, Posts 58
Great, I lost my brilliant thoughts when I tried to cut and paste them from another thread. Too bad; it was quite witty and brilliant. Suffice it to say that I was a bit disappointed when I realized Bill hadn’t actually done a midistration of Trittico. He’s probably sick of hearing me say this, but I’d love to hear him put his VSL powers to a performance of one of these classic band works or, better yet, one of his own. At least it’s a good sign that he’s thinking about the work of great band composers like Nelhybel. Maybe it will lead to him giving it a try. Here’s hoping!
Posted on Sat, Jan 18 2020 14:44
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5428

It would be something to do one of Nelhybel's works with MIDI !     I'd like to, or especially do The Sinfonians my favorite band piece which doesn't have a lot of good recordings.  I did a concert march of my own for full band. But - though Tom knows all about this, playing in band -  it is way harder to do MIDI for symphonic band than orchestra.  Think of how the strings make up most of an orchestra - and that's only five parts!   With symphonic band all the instruments are different and there are doublings you have to use even if they aren't necessarily wanted.  Here is a standard list:

Piccolo

1st Flute (usually doubled)

2nd Flute (etc.)

Oboe

Cor Anglais (English Horn)

Bassoon

Eb Clarinet

Solo Bb Clarinet

Clarinet Ensembles:

1st Bb Clarinet

2nd Bb Clarinet

3rd Bb Clarinet

Alto Clarinet

Bass Clarinet

Soprano Saxophone

1st Alto Saxophone

2nd Alto Saxophone

Tenor Saxophone

Baritone Saxophone

1st Bb Trumpet

2nd Bb Trumpet

3rd Bb Trumpet

1st Bb Cornet

2nd Bb Cornet

3rd Bb Cornet

Flugel Horn

1st French Horn

2nd French Horn

3rd French Horn

4th French Horn

1st Tenor Trombone

2nd Tenor Trombone

Bass Trombone

Euphonium

Tubas (Eb, Bb)

Percussion (including optional but normally used instruments)

Drum Kit

Bass Drum

Snare Drum

Cymbals

Triangle

Tambourine

Wood Block

Bongos

Claves

Gong

Tam-tam

Timpani

Glockenspiel

Xylophone

Marimba

Vibraphone

Chimes

Posted on Sat, Jan 18 2020 18:31
by tchampe
Joined on Wed, Apr 25 2018, Posts 58

Well Bill, never let it be said that you don't know how to make a point. That's a lot of stuff. Still, since confession is supposedly good for the soul, I might as well say it: that's what I want to do. I want to write stuff for symphoic band and hear what it would sound like if one of the great wind bands performed it. I have been lurking around this company's website and others for years, pricing the libraries, DAW software, specialized computer, and peripherals I would need to do it. Even if I suddenly could get all that stuff, I am probably too old to live through the learning curve, but I keep dreaming. The fact that virtually no one (even other band enthusiasts) would ever so much as listen to it is discouraging, but not a deal breaker. I would listen to it. They say that Elgar, as he lay dying in his country home, would listen to recordings of his own works. I get that. Of course those recordings were done by the finest musicians and ensembles; he had enthusiastic fans the world over and was greatly honored. I will have none of that. But with this remarkable technology, I could hear what I imagine.

So, as the Cowardly Lion once said, "There's just one thing I want you fellas to do...TALK ME OUT OF IT!"

Posted on Sun, Jan 19 2020 02:34
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5428

Tom,  I don't mean to sound negative, just was explaining why I haven't done any concert band material.  In other words, wimping out. 

I totally agree about doing serious concert band recordings, also, I've realized the lack of specific band ensembles in VSL is not a problem, since the 3 clarinet ensemble can be doubled or tripled, and there are two additional solo clarinets which each can be doubled.  And of couse all the other instruments are there.  

I was going to do a new mix of my concert march, designed to destroy the embochures of horn players, but didn't get to it.  But now all I can say is "talk me out of it!"

Posted on Sun, Jan 19 2020 23:04
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 490

Originally Posted by: tchampe Go to Quoted Post

I have been lurking around this company's website and others for years, pricing the libraries, DAW software, specialized computer, and peripherals I would need to do it. Even if I suddenly could get all that stuff, I am probably too old to live through the learning curve, but I keep dreaming. The fact that virtually no one (even other band enthusiasts) would ever so much as listen to it is discouraging, but not a deal breaker. I would listen to it. They say that Elgar, as he lay dying in his country home, would listen to recordings of his own works. I get that. Of course those recordings were done by the finest musicians and ensembles; he had enthusiastic fans the world over and was greatly honored. I will have none of that. But with this remarkable technology, I could hear what I imagine.

So, as the Cowardly Lion once said, "There's just one thing I want you fellas to do...TALK ME OUT OF IT!"

As I said a while back, you absolutely should take the plunge, Tom!  There will be no regret trying to bring the tunes in your head to life via virtual performances.  You surely will learn and grow with the instruments, and unleash a level of creativity that will surprise you.  You're not too old to learn...be patient with yourself and within a matter of months you'll be well on your way.  Within a couple of years, you'll be a Champ(e)!  Couldn't resist :)

As for nobody listening to it, as you mentioned, you'll listen and I suspect you'll have more supporters/admirers/fans than you realize, especially since the music you propose to write is popular, but under-served in the VSL world.  

Take it from someone who knows:  it's a heck of a lot more fun doing this stuff FOR FUN than it is trying to be a "professional."

Good luck to you!

p.s.  William:  same goes to you re. your concert march...get on it because you clearly have fans that want to hear it!

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www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
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