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Last post Fri, Mar 13 2020 by AntonioZ, 17 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Mar 05 2020 13:52
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11768

Hello everybody, 

Just in time for the reduced Vienna Instruments Collections, this super-comfortable feature will come in handy, especially for everybody on those fancy 4K screens!

Registered users: Download your free VI Pro Update from here!
Newcomers: VI Pro is now available with single licenses, for 55 EUR/piece!

Hope you like the simplicity of this feature! Enjoy!

Best, 
Paul

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Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 05 2020 19:39
by Eloy
Joined on Tue, Dec 04 2007, Valencia, Posts 17

Paul,

This is fantastic news. Does this update affect CPU usage?

Thank you,

Eloy

Posted on Thu, Mar 05 2020 20:09
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 489

Paul the GUI looks gorgeous on my HiDPI monitor, thank you!  Any possibility we can get some more zoom options other then 100% and 200%?  100% is for me just barely too small, I would love to have it probably around 120%. It looks great at 200% but fills my whole screen.  ;-)

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Mojave, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Thu, Mar 05 2020 20:53
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 559

Clear and modern look! It seems a new app!

Paolo

Posted on Thu, Mar 05 2020 22:19
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11768

Hi guys, 

We checked other scaling possibilities, but with the existing architecture, they all produced ugly artefacts.... 100% and 200% are the only options right now... 

@Dewdman42: Could be a great opportunity to get a new monitor 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 05 2020 22:37
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 489

I have a brand new 32" 4k monitor, a very good one.  nothing wrong with it.  I'll just use 100%, thanks.  It does look much better and sharper then before, but I was hoping we could zoom a bit.  The 100% size is not unusable and its indeed much more clear then before also.

Some feedback....

200% is not really  usable unless you're running your monitor at 4k native resolution, which most people with 4K monitors do not, especially Retina/HiDPI.  I am running mine at 3008x1692 HiDpi and 200% takes up 75% of the screen.  I'm sure sooner or later I will zoom in briefly to adjust something, so it will be useful, but like I said, more ideally would be somewhere around 120% of the current 100%.

Everyone is a little bit different in how they run their monitors, but I feel that few people are running their 4k or 5k monitors at native resolution.  There is a certain PPI (Pixels per inch) around 108 I believe that is generally considering the right size for typiucal desktop usage with your eyes around 2 feet from the screen.  At that PPI from 18-24 inches most people would say the size of everything on the desktop, the font sizes, etc..looks "normal".  If you go higher then that PPI then everything looks a bit too small and lower values result in everything too big.  (unless you plan to sit further away).  Note that is PPI of the virtual resolution, not the actual hardware native resolution.  The PPI of the native resolution is much higher then that with 4k, except for perhaps a 43" monitor.

For a 32" monitor that calculation works out to around 3008x1692.  In HiDPI mode, that means it is NOT doubling the size of everything as is the case with the default Retina mode.  If you are using a 5k Retina monitor in the default resolution, then what you see is probably bigger then what I see.  There are many variables surrounding all of this and everyone has to find the happy medium, but honestly I have found that around 3008x1692 is the right resolution for a 32" monitor, and using HiDPI mode it looks better then without using it.  Native resolution is really not usable in a 32" inch or 27 inch monitor..  So very few people would ever do that.  But if they do, that is when that 200% mode might be useful of course, bnut I think most people generally are not using native resolution unless they have a 40+ inch monitor.

I understand about scaling issues though and if VIPro is using bitmaps then it means you either have to include more bitmaps in the binary or something else in order to allow more scaling options, but anyway, I digress, thanks for updating it at all, it is definitely an improvement.

I'm curious also, I noticed that VePro also got an update with mentions about HiDPI.  What area of VePro would we expect to see a difference?

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Mojave, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Thu, Mar 05 2020 23:01
by Eloy
Joined on Tue, Dec 04 2007, Valencia, Posts 17

The upgrade does not work with VEP 6 - only VEP 7. Also Dewdman is right- there needs to be a setting between 100 (too small) and 200 (way to big). Currently I am using a LG 43" 4K monitor.

Thank you, Eloy

Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 08:06
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 140

that's great news . thanks so much for this update - really appreciated!

Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 08:54
by antcarrier
Joined on Fri, Sep 24 2010, Sunshine Coast, Australia, Posts 61

Thanks! I've been hoping for a bigger VI pro 2 for years.

Although I do agree, 200% is too large, and I have a 5k screen. 150% would probably be better, and an option for various sizes would be nice. I will probably still use 100% most of the time because at 200% I can barely see my DAW.

Posted on Sat, Mar 07 2020 07:01
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 240

Originally Posted by: Eloy Go to Quoted Post

Does this update affect CPU usage?

Thank you,

Eloy

For my setup, it is affecting CPU in a major way on my Windows slave.  Passages in large sessions that had no issue at a <256 buffer now peak the CPU and cause hanging notes at a 1024 buffer.

2019 MacBook Pro, 8 core i9, 32gb RAM. Heavy Digital Audio PC slave, 6 core Xeon E5-1650, 128gb RAM. Logic 10.4.8. Mojave & Windows 10.
Posted on Sat, Mar 07 2020 14:41
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11768

Hi, 

Thanks for all your feedback. 

We will look both into the performance issues and into more possibilities to offer different scalings. 

The current version is what we could come up with, under the circumstances. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Mar 07 2020 15:26
by Eloy
Joined on Tue, Dec 04 2007, Valencia, Posts 17

Stephen,

My set up - 12 core 2013 Mac Pro and a 6 core Mini Mac 2018 slave using VEP 6. Upgraded to VEP 7 (beacause retina update does not work in VEP 6) and and new Pro Instrument 2 retina - it looks gorgeous! However, my CPU went through the roof/ buffer sizes went up,up,up. I had to revert, brook my heart as everything was so clear. Paul, I for one could live with  with Pro Instrument 2 at 100%. I look forward to VSL working on the performance issues. Thank you, Eloy

Posted on Thu, Mar 12 2020 07:47
by Markburke
Joined on Thu, Mar 12 2020, USA, Posts 1

Thanks

Posted on Fri, Mar 13 2020 06:52
by LenoT
Joined on Wed, Jul 11 2007, Graz, Posts 24

Hello VSL Team!

Unfortunately, installing the new update on a DELL XPS15 (Win 10) and using it inside Vienna Ensemble (6.0.18443) did not work, nor did the standalone version!

I got the red "!Vi-Pro!" exclamation marks in the VI-Pro instances in VE.
Updating the entries in Directory Manager had no effect.
The standalone version would not start at all.

LenoT
Posted on Fri, Mar 13 2020 10:39
by AntonioZ
Joined on Thu, Oct 26 2017, Madrid, Posts 5

I'm having the same issue as well,

 

In Vienna Ensemble Vi-Pro 2 doesn't work. I have updated the last version of the two apps and didn't work. 

The message: Toolkit: (Could not open plugin), and the ¡VI-Pro! red in the channel.

 

Best,

 

Antonio

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Posted on Fri, Mar 13 2020 12:49
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11768

Hi everbody, 

VI Pro Retina currently only works in Vienna Ensemble Pro (most people are using this combination. 

Vienna Ensemble and Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 will follow as soon as possible, we're working on that. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 13 2020 13:06
by AntonioZ
Joined on Thu, Oct 26 2017, Madrid, Posts 5

 

Thanks for the information Paul!

Best!

Antonio Z.

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