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Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 15:06
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 292

 

[EDIT: I concluded this thread, and I opened a new specific one, hopefully more clear and more useful for the community, being this based on an initial misunderstanding] 

Hi Dietz,

I'm experimenting with your last delivery of Synchron Stage MIRx settings, and I love the fact that some specific sets were created for Synchronized instruments. However, despite searching into manuals and instructions, I wasn't able of finding the recommended source for the sets:

- what's the proper "mix" setup we have to select into the Synchron player? I suppose that the IR's eQ pan and vol settings of the patches should NOT be the proper source for a MIRx setup, otherwise they would mess up with the instrument profile, eq and reverb IR of MIR... but then

- is the flat "default" mix setup of the player the right source? (it seems to exclude any volume, effect and pan chain, to delegate to MIR the job) Any recommendation?

- that sounds ok for solos and ensemble instruments, but "default" is a problem with Dimension Strings and Brass: I try to load a noIR mix and exclude single player effects, keeping only a basic pan/positioning, but I'm not sure about eQ and delay optimal requirements by player... what's your recommendation?

Thank you in advance for your advice, best regards

Fabio

Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 15:19
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7582

Originally Posted by: fatis12_24918 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Dietz,

I'm experimenting with your last delivery of Synchron Stage MIRx settings, and I love the fact that some specific sets were created for Synchronized instruments. [...]

Hi Fabio,

where did you get this information from? I have to admit that I don't know exactly what you're referring to.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 16:18
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 292

 

Well, from your answer I got there's a point I misunderstood :(

If I load a synchron player instance and I select a sinchronyzed dimension strings patch, the MIRx settings are automatically updated to a Dimension strings instrument profile, with the MIRx StageA Character, and a "Synch'd - Dim.Violins I" Room Equalizer e.g. for Violins 1.

I was thinking that "Synch'd" prefix was reffering to Synchronized instruments, but it seems it's not the case, also because the same Room Equalizer is loaded for VI instances... I see.

Anyway still my question is open... good sense should suggest that if MIR doesn't distinguish between Synchron Player and VI libraries, it's even more important I send to MIR the "closest-to-VI output" from Synchron Player instances as well, to get MIRx setting work as intended, and then I suppose the closest output should be the flat "default" Synchron Player Mix setting, to avoid double processing (of IR, pan, reverb etc.)... is it correct?

In case it is, any suggestion for the proper panning of dimension sections in Synchron player? (something similar to the VI patches I suppose...)

Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 16:29
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7582

Hi Fabio,

I will have to investigate myself. I didn't try MIRx in Synchron Player up to now, only in VI / VI Pro. :-)

Thanks for your patience,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 17:01
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 292

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

Hi Fabio,

I will have to investigate myself. I didn't try MIRx in Synchron Player up to now, only in VI / VI Pro. :-)

Thanks for your patience,

No problem... I understand it, main scope being obviously to help mixing VI / VI Pro libraries.

But beside the fact of owning it, a Synchronized library can be preferred for better patch organization and/or slightly better performance optimization etc. and so a MIR owner maybe want to use different MIR venues or different stage positions...

Then I think that using the pristine (unprocessed) sound of a Synchronized library in MIR still makes sense for several users.

Your recommendations for the best execution of the MIR processing of the Synchronized libraries will be very welcome!

Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 19:35
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 273

That some of the Room EQs has the term "Synchron-ized" in it doesn't mean that they should be used with the Synchron Player. It's just a profile name. Isn't it?

When using the Synchron Player (i.e. in this case the SYNCHRON-ized instruments) it only makes sense to deactivate all IR and EQ processing.

The goal of the MIRx settings is to have the same settings as in the SYNCHRON-ized instruments. Is this right, Dietz? Or are there other sound aesthetics involved? This could explain why the Room EQ of the Dimension Strings are called "Synchron-ized". Otherwise, it wouldn't make any sense to only make some of the MIRx settings similar to the SYNCHRON-ized ones. Hope it's clear what I mean. :)

Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 20:31
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7582

Originally Posted by: Pixelpoet1985 Go to Quoted Post

The goal of the MIRx settings is to have the same settings as in the SYNCHRON-ized instruments. Is this right, Dietz? Or are there other sound aesthetics involved?

I'm not in front of my development machine right now, but judging from your description it seems as you're referring to the names of the RoomEQ setting supplied with the new MIRx presets. I left them like that as they aren't available in any other MIRx preset collection (... Dimension Strings use the "ordinary" RoomEQ settings for violins, violas etc. there).

According to my own state of knowledge there is no MIRx in Synchron Player ATM - but as I wrote above: I'll get back to you as soon as I have received information from the company. Maybe VSL's software engineers applied some magic in the meantime without telling me! ;-)

And if you ask me, I would say that it doesn't make any sense to re-"Synchronize" already "Synchronized" libraries by means of MIRx. It's either one or the other, in my book.

Of course the aesthetics I tried to achieve are similar for both, but they are not identical, partly due to technical reasons, partly due to the simple fact that I had more original recording from Synchron Stage to compare with when creating the (more recent) MIRx settings.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Dec 19 2020 22:20
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 292

 

Well... it's definitely another misunderstanding. I apologize for the confusion but...

Unfortunately we have pretty similar names that can make the messages even more misleading. I try to make it easier if possible:

- NO. There's no MIRx function in Synchron Player (yet). I was referring to the VEPro + MIR host, with MIRx presets.

- YES. Obviously scope of it is to get close (with VI libraries + MIR + Synchron StageA venue)  to the ambience of Synchron and Synchron-ized libraries. (So "Synch'd" is a good definition for RoomEQ, I wrote it already).

- YES there is no need of re-synchronize a Synchron-ized library, but there are several more reasons and opportunities for processing with MIR a Synchron-ized library:

   1) if you own MIR and a Synchron-ized library, and you want to use the library in a different venue than Synchron, or experiment a different Synchron venue stage position or mic set-up.

   2) in addition to the previous point, if you prefer the Synchron-Player performance or articulation control vs. the VI Pro version.

I hope it makes my original message a bit more clear, anyway I was just wondering if you had any suggestion or recommendation for using the Synchron Player into MIR, beside the obvious need of disabling IR, reverb and eQ. (e.g. what's the best panning method of the components of a Dimension strings section? is the personal eQ of each Dimension player1, 2, 3... useful if I send for instance the 8 Violins from one Synchron-player instance to a MIR full section instance that has just 1 "collective" profile and eQ? etc.)

[EDIT: I move this question to a new specific on topic thread, no need of answering here.]

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