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Missing articulations from SYzd Chamber Strings
Last post Thu, Sep 09 2021 by richhickey, 9 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Sep 04 2021 21:08
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1188

Hi,

While trying to see if I could remove some VI libraries from the SSD, being really short in space, I was comparing the articulations between VI and SYzd.

I already knew of the many missing ones from Appassionata Strings, as well as @Paul's response that we shouldn't expect them to be reintegrated anytime soon.

But now I could also see that SYzd Chamber Strings are missing all the harmonics, among some other things (the unique baroque trills!). I wonder if these will be reintegrated, or I should not expect it (…anytime soon…).

Paolo

Posted on Sat, Sep 04 2021 21:24
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1188

Having to decide what to move away from the SSD drives, if having to re-edit older pieces is not an issue: I guess Dimension Brass and Dimension Sthings are two libraries that have not lost anything when going from VI to SYzd.

Do I remember correctly?

Paolo

Posted on Sat, Sep 04 2021 21:27
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1188

Me again!

I guess it is not possible to run Dimension Strings from a mechanical HD.

On the contrary, Dimension Brass shouldn't be a problem, being less instruments, and usually acting as individual parts.

So, maybe the Brass can be a good candidate to run from the HD, when I have to access them from older pieces.

Paolo

Posted on Sun, Sep 05 2021 19:37
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 809

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

While trying to see if I could remove some VI libraries from the SSD, being really short in space, I was comparing the articulations between VI and SYzd.

I already knew of the many missing ones from Appassionata Strings, as well as @Paul's response that we shouldn't expect them to be reintegrated anytime soon.

But now I could also see that SYzd Chamber Strings are missing all the harmonics, among some other things (the unique baroque trills!). I wonder if these will be reintegrated, or I should not expect it (…anytime soon…).

Paolo I am in the same situation now as I am thinking about getting the Synchron Strings bundle, which needs a LOT of ssd space.

Can you please elaborate specifically on which articulations are missing from Synchronized Appasionata?  I basically have a lot of synchronized stuff also and will probably remove some VI stuff from my SSD to make room, probably both dimension products, woodwinds, for a start.  Not sure about solo, chamber and appasionata, now that you mention those have some missing articulations, maybe not.  I've seen various comments along these lines over time, but it would be good if we had a consolidated list of what is missing from Synchronized conversions from VI.

Posted on Sun, Sep 05 2021 20:05
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1188

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

Can you please elaborate specifically on which articulations are missing from Synchronized Appasionata?

Missing from the Vi version are slurred and sul G legato, progressive vibrato, recorded crescendo and diminuendo, recorded repetitions, clusters, runs, random pizzicato. I don¡t know, at the moment,MIR harsh articulations are embedded in other ones. Imprecise tuning can be simulated with Humanize.

More, there are non vibrato and soft articulations, and a full set of second violins, that are really really useful.

Solo Strings seem to have gone through synchronization without losing any articulation (and there are some new).

In the end, I removed some other libraries that I either don't use, or can run well from a mechanical drive. Too risky removing things that I might still need.

Paolo

Posted on Sun, Sep 05 2021 21:55
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 323

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

Solo Strings seem to have gone through synchronization without losing any articulation (and there are some new).

Unfortunately, Violin II and Cello II have no "cut release" versions of their Fast Reps patches.  Not so much a missing articulation as a missing feature, but as far as I can tell Synchron Player doesn't have a way to disable release samples, so in other libraries VSL included "cut release" versions of fast rep patches.  Not so in SYN-zed Solo Strings, unfortunately...

Posted on Sun, Sep 05 2021 21:57
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 323

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

Paolo I am in the same situation now as I am thinking about getting the Synchron Strings bundle, which needs a LOT of ssd space.

FYI, I'm fairly certain the short articulations of Synchron Strings I and Synchron Strings Pro are the same samples.  Don't take that as 100%, as I'm going off memory here, but I seem to recall Paul or someone else saying as much in one of the threads about it when it was released...?...

Posted on Mon, Sep 06 2021 01:03
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2699

It was said, a long time ago!!!, that the instrument where sharing samples if you put then in a VIENNA ENSEMBLE  PRO

Is it still the case ? VSL ONLY KNOWS !

 

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

Paolo I am in the same situation now as I am thinking about getting the Synchron Strings bundle, which needs a LOT of ssd space.

FYI, I'm fairly certain the short articulations of Synchron Strings I and Synchron Strings Pro are the same samples.  Don't take that as 100%, as I'm going off memory here, but I seem to recall Paul or someone else saying as much in one of the threads about it when it was released...?...

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Posted on Thu, Sep 09 2021 17:38
by richhickey
Joined on Wed, Nov 01 2017, Posts 52

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

Having to decide what to move away from the SSD drives, if having to re-edit older pieces is not an issue: I guess Dimension Brass and Dimension Sthings are two libraries that have not lost anything when going from VI to SYzd.

Do I remember correctly?

Paolo

That has been my experience, only those two are intact regarding both articulation set and sound.

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