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Posted on Tue, Apr 04 2006 18:19
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
Isn't she lovely ? by Logic Wonder [Wink]

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/MIX1

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/MIX2

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/MIX3
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Tue, Apr 04 2006 19:36
by jamriding
Joined on Thu, Mar 31 2005, U.K., Posts 259
Thierry...you're a star!!! Stick out tongue Fantastico...
Posted on Tue, Apr 04 2006 22:23
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 173
I am curious? Why have you set it up this way? Just having the pictures isn't telling me much so could yo please elaborate?
Thanks
Chris
Posted on Tue, Apr 04 2006 22:44
by fitch
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, dublin, Posts 143
lovely ..

if you feel like posting a .lso of your template then that would be very interesting ..


i use a version thats an adaptation of kai articulation tool template.. your , however looks even more interesting again

cool

Big Smile
cheers, fitch
Posted on Tue, Apr 04 2006 23:24
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 173
Posted on Wed, Apr 05 2006 08:07
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
it is not just a picture it is my real config

So: i have 5 exs for v1:
v1-1=leg
v1-2= combi all (changed to midi channel and not keyswitches )
v1-3=pizz
v1-4=free (for solist per expl)
v1-5=personnal expressif setting

each track have the output off and are send to many bus to dispatche the sound every where on the stage

Back: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus Back L, Back Center, Back Right
MBack: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus M Back L, MBack Center, MBack Right

Wind2 : -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus W2 L,W2Center,W2 Right

Wind1 : -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus W1 L, W1 Center, W1 Right

M Front: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus MF L, MF Center,MFRight

Front: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus F L, F Center, F Right


the v1 are send to Bus Front -3 -2 -1
The bus Front -3 -2 -1 are send to bus Front Left
The bus Front Left is send to Bus Front
And the Bus front is sent to the Groupe "STRING GROUP"

on each Bus -3-2-10+1+2+3 there is a altiverb with pan respect the -3 -2 -1 (just the position, tail & Earl Ref off and Direct=100% flat-Mix 100% wet.

-Each bus have the output connected to a other Bus=Front Left (no plug in)
-Front left is send to Main Front bus (no plug in)
-Main front bus is send to String group bus= Altiverb for all string (direct gain=on but vol=0, 100% IR, Early ref & tail=on)

So i can see the level= instrument track, front left, front, string.
When all the orchstra is playing, i can do a balance wiith left and right, Front, MF, ...
But in fact all of this is just to see the level not to MIX.

i have a bus with additionnal Reverb & i have a bus DRY
Each exs track is send to the bus "dry" and like this i can do th balance beetween the dry and the reverberated sound.

So if i change the level off the left front bus, i will destroy the balance because the sound off the Front bus will change but the level received on the dry and reverb bus will not.

So all this bus are just to see in every step where is the probleme when a sound is to strong;(when each string are received by 3 bus and the string group is saturated, is it from the V1,v2,alti,vc or cb ? i have just to have a look on the bus !)

So, to not change the balance sound, dry, reverb the only way is to change the level at the beginning= the track instrument. Like this, the proportion is respected, it will change the dry, the reverb and the send on each bus.

Attention surprise !

I have made a page whith aux tracks: v1,v2,alti ...all instrument .
The input of this aux track for v1 per exemple isn't the exs track (because there is 5 exs for v1) but simply the Front left Bus. The Aux have the output off.
So i have one aux v1 whose receive the bus Front Left and the sound is off.
What for ?
The sound i ear for v1 is the Front Left bus sound, but the aux is a command !
all v1 exs track is connected with aux v1 by a group connection.

So, when i change the level of the aux V1, all exs v1 track change !
on the same page, i have a aux of the bus FRONt,m Front, wind1&2, M Back, back, the stngs,winds,brass & percus group, the main output ;

All level on one page and all command for all instrument.

Other tips: grouped commande is to find quickly the level off instruments but it is differents of Autommation.

Each dispatche Midi v1,2,3,4,5 can be autommatized indivially but i have put a instrument connected of each track v1v,2,3,4,5 and like this, i can programm a group autommation.
When a autommation is programmed, each group command are dstroyed.

So i find a balance for each exs indivially and i can change the main exs level if i need;all the v1 are balanced, (v1-1,v1-2,v1-3,v1-4,v1-5)i can do the same for all the orchestra.

In the 2d step, i make a balance with group command beetween every instrument off a group (v1,v2,alti,vc,cb)and when i have find, i make a track for the Instrument MIX string and i programm the autommation(for each v1,v2... or for all the group in one step)

And like this i can do the autommation of : attack, level,exs main volume,control 11 or other instrument by instrument, or directly group by group respecting the main balance dry & reverberated sound.

I have on the picture put a other instrument connected to the 4 instrument group nammed orchestre bur it is wrong because all the message of orchstre go inside group instrument whose go inside each exs and there is to many message , the systeme will be blocked.

But this is not a probleme, for each group it is enought and to make a all orchestra crescendo, the main output fader is ok .


Regards Big Smile
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Wed, Apr 05 2006 11:41
by fitch
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, dublin, Posts 143
its a beauty alright Theirry


post us an .lso though [Big Smile]


i'm itching to try this one out [Big Smile] it looks cool
cheers, fitch
Posted on Wed, Apr 05 2006 13:16
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
VSL is the best for the records quality but i hope every one who can do better (eq, compress or other in this template) will do and give to us.

If every one give what he know, we will really make music and just music [[[[Big Smile]]]]

so, my config need altiverb, opus 1+2 for the 1er one and logic with 64 universal bus activated:

With opus 1+2 and personnal exs midi preset: V1-1=leg
V1-2=combination all but the selected command is not keyswich but midi channel
v1-3= pizz
v1-4=empty
v1-5 personnal expressive string (mod whel used)

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/CONFIG-THIERRY-ECUVILLON.zip

2/ The same without exs if you have other sample than opus bunddle

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/CONFIG-EXSTHIERRY-ECUVILLON.zip

Here it is [[[[Big Smile]]]]

i use 2 monitor so if you have one you probably have to correct the picture.

you have some sreenset by click on 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

I use Quad g5 and i have node it by himself.

So if the audio engine can't do all you need you can activate the node (by itself if you have just one g5)


Best regards and be happy [[[[Big Smile]]]] [[[[Big Smile]]]] [[[[Big Smile]]]]

Thierry Ecuvillon
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Wed, Apr 05 2006 19:58
by fitch
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, dublin, Posts 143
best regards to you to Thierry Big Smile

I've just downloaded these .. will enjoy looking into them .


many thanks
cheers, fitch
Posted on Thu, Apr 06 2006 08:24
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
Other explication

all the orchestra use midi channel 1 for the legato instrument

for strings section: v1 v2 alti vc & cb use this setting:

exs1=midi channel 1= legato
exs2= midi chanel 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,16 for combination all in midi
exs3=pizz midi 3
exs4=empty
exs5=expressive perso setting midi 14

midi1= legato
midi2= mod range 0 to 59= trille 1/2 tone
60 to 127=trille 1 tone
midi3=pizz
midi4=stacc1
midi5=det 0,3s
midi6=det 0,5s
midi7=sustain
midi8=fp
midi9=sfz
midi10=sffz
midi11=pfp
midi12=tremolo
midi13=stacc 2
midi 14= expressive perso setting
15 & 16 empty

All the orchestra follow the same map for exs 1&2 but the midi chanel 3 & 14 are still in the exs 2 for all without strings.

if you want to separate level by instrument, exp you want to move the celli volume of legato exs1, the expression of exs1(midi 1)- the modulation of exs 5 (midi 14)-the attack of sustain (midi7) the best way is to change here and don't forget to choose the midi channel for eack one
THE NAME IS JUST THE "INSTRUMENT NAME"(in french sorry )

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/E1

*If all your 5 exs are ok but you want to move all the 5 exs for expression (independant of the differents articulation) you can do like a musician move all the melodie expression (or vol ...)

THE NAME IS "MIX+INSTRUMENT"
http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/E2

*if you have a equilibrate groupe you can mix all the groupe in one step: all exs of all v1 v2 alti vc & cb
THE NAME IS "MIX+INSTRUMENT+ENSEMBLE"

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/E3

(in french, cordes=strings,bois=wind,cuivres=brass)

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Personnaly, i think the best is to programm 3 different level:

1/exs main vol for each exs
2/expresssion for each instrument (5 exs in one step expl vc)
http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/E2

3/Mix the groupSadvolume) http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/E3

Because you can't do 2 expression in the same time: if you programm one for the exs 1 and you do a other one line for the 5exs of cello or for all the string group, if the programmation is diferent, one won't work .

if you separate exs main volume, control 11 expression , & volume control 7 you are really free to do all you want .

After the technical configuration, you can really be the conductor: should i move just the pizzicato level ? all the Celli level, or all the string section ?

(the musician want to go back home in the middle of the concert? No probleme, you programme the panoramic to move on the stage , you move down the level, you push suddenly the expression level because he have falled on a step and you continu naturally the concert ! )
if the trumpetist cough, you push the expression control 11 and the pitch in the same time !
You are the conductor !
it is Up to you



[[Big Smile]] [[Big Smile]] [Wink] [[Big Smile]]
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Fri, Apr 07 2006 08:43
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
nb: the cb and celli are on the left and the alti on the right.

if you prefer to exange it, you have to exange on each exs track, the send to the bus.

actually the celli are sended to: bus 8,9,10
the alti to 12,13,14 and the cb to 4 & 11

you have to change and it will give you this:

celli have to be sended to bus: 12,13,14
the alti to 8,9,10
and the cb keep the same: 4,11

now it is ok for the send but you have to open the altiverb on the bus 36 & 39 (for cb front and cb middle front) and move the speaker to change the position from left to right.

One more: you have to change the name of the Aux track n°4,5

http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/MIX3

the alti will be the vc and the vc will be the alti ( you can change the position of the visual aux track to keep the same logic and if you prefer, you can keep the same name but you have to open the aux by click it and open the parametyre in option windows, choose to see the in out ...and change it: the actual Alti aux track come from bus 40 and the vc aux come from 38 you have to exange it.

don't do all of it, just change the name or just change the inside bus .

i hope you have understood.

(excuse my english)
Surpriseops:
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Fri, Apr 07 2006 14:43
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
http://thierry.ecuvillon.free.fr/VSL/EDEN.mp3

the mix is one in 3ours, so i will do a other time but this is mixed with this config
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Tue, Apr 11 2006 09:48
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
Does some one have comments about the config ?

About the space of my démo (listen the last notes of the end) ?
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Tue, Apr 11 2006 22:46
by fitch
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, dublin, Posts 143
i did try this out Theirry .. sorry for not getting back to you sooner .. i've been really busy.


the .lso is cool .. i really appreciated being able to try it ... i know i can't make regular use of it though .. simply because because i'm happier using keyswitches to change articulations .. and i don't use so many altiverb instances because of my computer ... i run a dual 2gig g5 only ..


but .. a big thanks ..it was fabulous to root around in it , rather than just see the jpg .
it really is a beautiful environment Big Smile
cheers, fitch
Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2007 10:22
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
is some one can tell me if the altiverb sound is different in version 5&6.
Does the 6 use more cpu ? (for this big config i need to know that)

Thank you Big Smile
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Wed, Jun 27 2012 15:46
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211

So, i have told this to vsl in 2006 and you didn't try to understand what i mean.

now i see that LASS audiobro have a super product with sample dispatched on the stage , and Symphobia have recorded with the stage position, so i thing you have lost yourself in details , and i wanted to help you , but you haven't ear me... 

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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Thu, Aug 25 2022 16:21
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211

ok

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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Thu, Aug 25 2022 16:23
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211

Originally Posted by: thierry.ecuvillon Go to Quoted Post
it is not just a picture it is my real config

So: i have 5 exs for v1:
v1-1=leg
v1-2= combi all (changed to midi channel and not keyswitches )
v1-3=pizz
v1-4=free (for solist per expl)
v1-5=personnal expressif setting

each track have the output off and are send to many bus to dispatche the sound every where on the stage

Back: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus Back L, Back Center, Back Right
MBack: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus M Back L, MBack Center, MBack Right

Wind2 : -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus W2 L,W2Center,W2 Right

Wind1 : -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus W1 L, W1 Center, W1 Right

M Front: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus MF L, MF Center,MFRight

Front: -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3=>Bus F L, F Center, F Right


the v1 are send to Bus Front -3 -2 -1
The bus Front -3 -2 -1 are send to bus Front Left
The bus Front Left is send to Bus Front
And the Bus front is sent to the Groupe "STRING GROUP"

on each Bus -3-2-10+1+2+3 there is a altiverb with pan respect the -3 -2 -1 (just the position, tail & Earl Ref off and Direct=100% flat-Mix 100% wet.

-Each bus have the output connected to a other Bus=Front Left (no plug in)
-Front left is send to Main Front bus (no plug in)
-Main front bus is send to String group bus= Altiverb for all string (direct gain=on but vol=0, 100% IR, Early ref & tail=on)

So i can see the level= instrument track, front left, front, string.
When all the orchstra is playing, i can do a balance wiith left and right, Front, MF, ...
But in fact all of this is just to see the level not to MIX.

i have a bus with additionnal Reverb & i have a bus DRY
Each exs track is send to the bus "dry" and like this i can do th balance beetween the dry and the reverberated sound.

So if i change the level off the left front bus, i will destroy the balance because the sound off the Front bus will change but the level received on the dry and reverb bus will not.

So all this bus are just to see in every step where is the probleme when a sound is to strong;(when each string are received by 3 bus and the string group is saturated, is it from the V1,v2,alti,vc or cb ? i have just to have a look on the bus !)

So, to not change the balance sound, dry, reverb the only way is to change the level at the beginning= the track instrument. Like this, the proportion is respected, it will change the dry, the reverb and the send on each bus.

Attention surprise !

I have made a page whith aux tracks: v1,v2,alti ...all instrument .
The input of this aux track for v1 per exemple isn't the exs track (because there is 5 exs for v1) but simply the Front left Bus. The Aux have the output off.
So i have one aux v1 whose receive the bus Front Left and the sound is off.
What for ?
The sound i ear for v1 is the Front Left bus sound, but the aux is a command !
all v1 exs track is connected with aux v1 by a group connection.

So, when i change the level of the aux V1, all exs v1 track change !
on the same page, i have a aux of the bus FRONt,m Front, wind1&2, M Back, back, the stngs,winds,brass & percus group, the main output ;

All level on one page and all command for all instrument.

Other tips: grouped commande is to find quickly the level off instruments but it is differents of Autommation.

Each dispatche Midi v1,2,3,4,5 can be autommatized indivially but i have put a instrument connected of each track v1v,2,3,4,5 and like this, i can programm a group autommation.
When a autommation is programmed, each group command are dstroyed.

So i find a balance for each exs indivially and i can change the main exs level if i need;all the v1 are balanced, (v1-1,v1-2,v1-3,v1-4,v1-5)i can do the same for all the orchestra.

In the 2d step, i make a balance with group command beetween every instrument off a group (v1,v2,alti,vc,cb)and when i have find, i make a track for the Instrument MIX string and i programm the autommation(for each v1,v2... or for all the group in one step)

And like this i can do the autommation of : attack, level,exs main volume,control 11 or other instrument by instrument, or directly group by group respecting the main balance dry & reverberated sound.

I have on the picture put a other instrument connected to the 4 instrument group nammed orchestre bur it is wrong because all the message of orchstre go inside group instrument whose go inside each exs and there is to many message , the systeme will be blocked.

But this is not a probleme, for each group it is enought and to make a all orchestra crescendo, the main output fader is ok .


Regards Big Smile

______________________________________________
Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
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