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Last post Thu, Jul 13 2006 by Dar32, 7 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Jul 09 2006 22:23
by Frankie Ho
Joined on Sat, Aug 06 2005, Hong Kong, Posts 85
Well, not really my own composition. Stick out tongue

I am working on a stage play now which is partly about Mozart. They have chosen his piano variations "Ah, vous dirai-je, Maman!" as the finale, which will be performed live by a few spoiled... oops... I mean talented kids on top of a pre-recorded track. I actually had a lot of fun doing this mock-up so I would love to share with you too. [Wink]

Ah, vous dirai-je, Maman!

It's an abridged version though.

This is a demo to show how it sounds to the director. In the actual performance, the principal 1st and 2nd violins, 1st horn, tuba (actually an euphonium), alto saxophone (well, there was no clarinet player came to the casting Confused??: ), 1st bassoon and piano four-hand will be performed live, the remaining orchestral instruments will be MMO.

Hope you will enjoy this too!

Cheers,
Frankie
DAW : iMac - Core i5 3.60GHz, 8GB RAM, OSX 10.6.8, Cubase 6.5, Samplitude X
Slave : Dell T3500 - Xeon Quad-core 2.66GHz, 12GB RAM, Windows 7 x64
Posted on Mon, Jul 10 2006 13:34
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139
Mozart war seit seinem vierten Lebensjahr ein Perfektionist.

I guess by "abridged" you mean you reduced him, not only in lenght.

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Posted on Mon, Jul 10 2006 20:50
by Dar32
Joined on Fri, May 20 2005, USA, Posts 373
Frankie Ho wrote:
Well, not really my own composition. Stick out tongue

I am working on a stage play now which is partly about Mozart. They have chosen his piano variations "Ah, vous dirai-je, Maman!" as the finale, which will be performed live by a few spoiled... oops... I mean talented kids on top of a pre-recorded track. I actually had a lot of fun doing this mock-up so I would love to share with you too. [Wink]

Ah, vous dirai-je, Maman!

It's an abridged version though.

This is a demo to show how it sounds to the director. In the actual performance, the principal 1st and 2nd violins, 1st horn, tuba (actually an euphonium), alto saxophone (well, there was no clarinet player came to the casting Confused??: ), 1st bassoon and piano four-hand will be performed live, the remaining orchestral instruments will be MMO.

Hope you will enjoy this too!

Cheers,
Frankie


Hey Franky
While you are here. I'm very interested in the existing of any Classical Composers in China ? We in the west don't hear of Any Chineese beethovens,Mozart's,Bach's.
Are there any ? or is it just a myth ?
Posted on Tue, Jul 11 2006 17:34
by Frankie Ho
Joined on Sat, Aug 06 2005, Hong Kong, Posts 85
Angelo Clematide wrote:
Mozart war seit seinem vierten Lebensjahr ein Perfektionist.

I guess by "abridged" you mean you reduced him, not only in lenght.

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Hi Angelo, sorry my knowledge of German is very limited... I can only guess it's something like Mozart is the 4th child perfectionist? Big Smile

Maybe "abridged" isn't a suitable word. Apart from shoterning a 8-minute work to a 2'30"-minute work, I actually combined several variations together. Say, the piano four-hand section is actually a combination of the original variation 6 and variation 7. Well, it's for the show's finale, it got to be very energetic and busy. "Too many notes" is my intention... if you remember that joke from the film "Amadeus" Stick out tongue

Cheers,
Frankie
DAW : iMac - Core i5 3.60GHz, 8GB RAM, OSX 10.6.8, Cubase 6.5, Samplitude X
Slave : Dell T3500 - Xeon Quad-core 2.66GHz, 12GB RAM, Windows 7 x64
Posted on Tue, Jul 11 2006 18:01
by Frankie Ho
Joined on Sat, Aug 06 2005, Hong Kong, Posts 85
R.K. wrote:
While you are here. I'm very interested in the existing of any Classical Composers in China ? We in the west don't hear of Any Chineese beethovens,Mozart's,Bach's.
Are there any ? or is it just a myth ?

Well, this discussion can lead to a 100000-word research thesis! [Indifferent]

All I can say about the difference between western and oriental (ethnic) music philosophies is, western (European-rooted) music is meant to be "performed", to entertain and please the emperors/nobles, etc. In order to achieve this you gotta to develop a competent skill and personal style to survive.

Whereas in ancient China, playing music is more of a self-entertainment like the gu-qing and zheng music. They just couldn't care less if people like their music as long as they are enjoying it themselves. That's why there wasn't any kind of "music revolution" to make music more appealing to the general public. Because of this, there wasn't any heroic figure like Bach who actually "rationalized" music and developed a whole set of theory and such. Of course, there were consort style ensembles in ancient China to amuse the emperors... but well, they are actually eyeing on the palace maids' sexy dance instead of the music! Devil

Disclaimer! Yes my point of view is quite generalized really, feel free to disagree with me! Stick out tongue I can quote some exceptions already... I am sure Schoenberg and Cage didn't care about if their music pleases the audience. While there is a more contemporary Chinese music, the "Butterfly Lovers Violin Concerto" which is meant to please the genereal public with lovely and partly western style of writing/orchestration.

If Bach was born in China, the global music history will be a different story I am sure!

Cheers,
Frankie
DAW : iMac - Core i5 3.60GHz, 8GB RAM, OSX 10.6.8, Cubase 6.5, Samplitude X
Slave : Dell T3500 - Xeon Quad-core 2.66GHz, 12GB RAM, Windows 7 x64
Posted on Wed, Jul 12 2006 17:48
by Dar32
Joined on Fri, May 20 2005, USA, Posts 373
Well noted & Educated point to resolve. franky
The Irony here is while emperors & Nobles ect.. enjoyed what the Great Composers created. The Great Composers themselves suffered monitary issues. (They were poor). And they did not come from noble families. but Humble religious warm livingrooms. Beethoven added the VAN in his name to attract the nobility. As if he really needed it. Their manifest was achieved from pure education. And nothing but.

See if this sounds familiar :

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Whereas in ancient China, playing music is more of a self-entertainment like the gu-qing and zheng music. They just couldn't care less if people like their music as long as they are enjoying it themselves.


Whereas in modern culture, playing music is more of a self-entertainment like the phony machine music. they just couldn't care less if people like their music as long as they are enjoying it themselves.

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That's why there wasn't any kind of "music revolution" to make music more appealing to the general public. Because of this, there wasn't any heroic figure like Bach who actually "rationalized" music and developed a whole set of theory and such.


The vietnam war music revolution set everyone back to the stone age. Apparently there was something resolved there. like the emperors sitting back and watching millions getting slaughtered. As long as they got their money, women and power.

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Of course, there were consort style ensembles in ancient China to amuse the emperors... but well, they are actually eyeing on the palace maids' sexy dance instead of the music!


There were consort style ensembles in modern culture to amuse the emperors....but well, they are actually eyeing on the palace maids' (britney spears, brook hogan ) sexy dance instead of the music !

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If Bach was born in China, the global music history will be a different story I am sure!


Bach was meant to be born were he was born. And education, and the present political system needs to thrive with balanced democratic resolution, as the great fathers intended it to be. One is glad to see that china has addopted the balanced elected modern political system. And all hope that the process does work for the sake of mankind. suffering in an illiterate world. I think Bach ussed the word suffering in his music, depicting its true meaning, more than anyone else.
Posted on Thu, Jul 13 2006 17:38
by Dar32
Joined on Fri, May 20 2005, USA, Posts 373
Franky
Dont mean to dwell in about this isssue. But It should be mentioned your mock up of Mozarts piece is wonderful. I do agree with Angalo though the position of a mock up mockery with twinkle twinkle little star, spoiled kids ect... has just become a mockery as an abridged version of once published as of the greatest composer ever.
Of-course educators know point out that mozart was the great asimulator following haydn. And that is absolutely true. But he still remains as perhaps the greatest composer by haydn's own words even. Basides all of that, your piece of music is absolutely educational and brings back the original sound and space, instrumentation of the era, with absolute perfection of tune. And I'm at question of what did you use finnaly. The score with pro or the VI. And played without score. Or did you score it with VI. Thanks.

Mozart could take a childish ditti and turn it into a sophisticated involved serious piece of music. That takes alot of thinking, and a one of a kind piece of mind.

Again your piece is wonderful.
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