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Altiverb -different rooms for positioning and tail possible?
Last post Fri, Mar 16 2007 by FFX, 8 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Jan 18 2007 12:24
by Felix Bartelt
Joined on Fri, Oct 22 2004, Berlin, Posts 372
I know that everything is possible, but do you recommend to use e.g. the "Konzerthaus Vienna Large" for the positioning tracks, but another room (e.g. "Amsterdam Concertgebouw") to add the tail?

Seems like I still have to learn a lot about AV, but don´t I get unreal results, if I mix the reverb of a different room to the position of another?

Thanks for your help!
Felix
Posted on Thu, Jan 18 2007 15:49
by Martin Bayless
Joined on Sat, Oct 25 2003, New York, USA, Posts 266
best place to go for info on this is the tutorial on orchestral positioning with downloadable templates on the altiverb site.
Posted on Thu, Jan 18 2007 17:25
by MarkOfTheStoat
Joined on Sat, Aug 20 2005, Posts 56
In the Altiverb orch positioning video that's what they do - they use the big hall for its wide stage positioning and then the tail from Mechanics Hall (actually I forget which hall but another one).

So they do mix and match - I was a bit suprised, but like you suggest - if it sounds good.......
Posted on Thu, Jan 18 2007 17:45
by Felix Bartelt
Joined on Fri, Oct 22 2004, Berlin, Posts 372
Looks like it´s o.k. to use different gears, even though I don´t understand why. But I don´t know exactly, what the positioning is doing.

Anyway, thanks for the quick answers.
Posted on Sun, Feb 04 2007 02:36
by JWL
Joined on Sun, Jul 20 2003, Posts 1274
Felix Bartelt wrote:
Looks like it´s o.k. to use different gears, even though I don´t understand why. But I don´t know exactly, what the positioning is doing.

Anyway, thanks for the quick answers.


Just as an orchestra is seated across a varied spectrum of width and depth on a stage, so can the user simulate that seating with corresponding widths and depths which in turn impact of the believability of the early reflections. This goes a little beyond mere panning and impacts how these various positions (ie: various early reflections) behave within the reverb tail once its added. The results can be quite effective.
Posted on Sun, Feb 04 2007 22:47
by hetoreyn
Joined on Sat, Nov 27 2004, Vancouver, British Columbia, Posts 1157
Altiverb can be a real pain in the ass for choosing the right IR for your mix. I'm doing a topic on it for my site soon. I'm favouring the Teldex Studio IR's .. but without the right mixing solution none of the IR's will work quite as you think.

I'll post a link when I have this topic on my site. . I will have some templates for download so people can try what I've done.
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Posted on Mon, Feb 05 2007 00:14
by JWL
Joined on Sun, Jul 20 2003, Posts 1274
thanks, hetoreyn.

Programming reverbs can be as involved as entering all other data. It's certainly not something to be underestimated in terms of time.

On the positive side is that once the initial settings are made they become a benchmark for other projects using the same template. Of course, it is quite nice to build a "library" of pre-delays and reflections for a variety of purposes. It's also nice to have a diversity of reverbs to choose from, depending upon the desired reults.

Altiverb is but one way, and thank goodness it's there along with lots of other options.

I'll look forward to your Teldex reports.

Cheers.
Posted on Fri, Mar 16 2007 04:28
by FFX
Joined on Fri, Mar 16 2007, Posts 5
I'm messing around with an idea at the moment - using the Waves S360 Imager to pan and create the Early Reflections and then use AV to generate the tails as a send over the main mix bus.

S360 seems a lot less CPU hungry than AV (I use it across channels and groups).

I'm still testing it - my plan is now to load up a huge old project and see exactly how many instances I can get going at once...

Cheers,

Martin
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