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Keyswitches is there a secret ??
Last post Thu, Mar 01 2007 by papabear, 13 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 18:56
by papabear
Joined on Wed, Jan 25 2006, Posts 28
What is the experience from other members with key switches ? Sometimes they work and sometimes they don´t, it ´s not much fun trying to complete a production with VSL with all this hassle, why is this?
I have the key switches in Cubase at 127, louder is not possible or is the problem? are they too loud ?? Sad Help please somebody.
Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 19:29
by nliberg
Joined on Fri, Dec 02 2005, Posts 232
I have never experienced any problem with keyswitches not working. Maybe you're refering to the fact that if you start playback from somewhere in the song you hear the wrong articulation until the next keyswitch. One way around that may be to prolong your keyswitch notes to span the whole phrase where you want it to be active (velocity doesn't matter by the way) and setup Cubase to chase notes (see "Chase Events" in your settings).

In case you're using Kontakt another alternative to keyswitches it to use banks. You can then use program change to switch between articulations and you won't have to manually make any keyswitch notes longer. The downside to that solution is that controller messages are not broadcasted to all instrument in the bank. I hope this helps.

Regards,
Nils
Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 20:30
by papabear
Joined on Wed, Jan 25 2006, Posts 28
Hi Nils thankyou for your prompt reply. I am referring ti the keyswitches "Sometimes" working and sometimes not, and I mean when I run the music from the beginning. It´s interesting that you say I can use VSL in Kontakt 2? Native Instruments told me just last week this is not possible ??
Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 20:34
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9062
to avoid confusion - papabaer is using Vienna Instruments, nils is referring to the kontakt versions of horizon series products
christian
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Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 20:37
by papabear
Joined on Wed, Jan 25 2006, Posts 28
Good point thanks for that ! Smile
Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 21:11
by nliberg
Joined on Fri, Dec 02 2005, Posts 232
Thanks Christian.

papabaer, in any case I think my suggestion about chasing notes and making keyswitches longer should still apply (although I'm not a VI user myself). I assume you have a keyswitch in the beginning of your song, right? Generally I think it's more likely that Cubase never plays the keyswitches than that the sampler (VI in this case) ignores them. Sorry, I don't really now how to help you more. I hope you'll find a solution.
Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 21:25
by papabear
Joined on Wed, Jan 25 2006, Posts 28
Thankyou for your replies I´ll struggle on.
Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 23:39
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
OK two things.
1) I always make sure that my keyswitches are legato with a value of about -10 ticks. I also makes sure that chase notes is set in the preferences.
2) Do remember that Cubase thinks that C3 is Middle C, whereas we all know that it should be C4. This could also cause some mistakes.

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Posted on Fri, Jan 19 2007 23:49
by papabear
Joined on Wed, Jan 25 2006, Posts 28
Thanks DG I´ll check out the areas you have just covered.
Posted on Thu, Mar 01 2007 03:49
by alanb
Joined on Sat, Feb 04 2006, Posts 68
papabear wrote:
Hi Nils thankyou for your prompt reply. I am referring ti the keyswitches "Sometimes" working and sometimes not, and I mean when I run the music from the beginning. It´s interesting that you say I can use VSL in Kontakt 2? Native Instruments told me just last week this is not possible ??


Hmmmm.. when you say "sometimes working and sometimes not"...

Do you mean that you can point to certain individual keyswitches that work on one playthrough and do not work on the next?

Or do you mean that you can point to certain individual keyswitches that always work and certain individual keyswitches that always don't?

The reason I ask is because... one possible problem is that maybe some keyswitches need to be nudged just a teeny tiny little bit ahead of the notes that you wish to have switched? I always turn off the "snap to" in Cubase when I'm drawing in keyswitches, just to make sure that they always lead the affected notes by a tiny bit...
-- alanb
Posted on Thu, Mar 01 2007 09:50
by papabear
Joined on Wed, Jan 25 2006, Posts 28
Thankyou for your reply I now have it sorted out . Big Smile
Posted on Thu, Mar 01 2007 10:25
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
Hey papabear,

In case this helps: make sure you always make your keyswitch note long enough, and also indeed check if the octave number matches.
I noticed that when my k-switch notes are too short, they are often ignored.

good luck,

Alex
Posted on Thu, Mar 01 2007 10:36
by papabear
Joined on Wed, Jan 25 2006, Posts 28
Thanks Big Smile
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