Hi 

Thanks for confirming - I purchased last night - hopefully they will fix it quickly as no one will be able to use this in 7.1.2 in Pro Tools until its sorted. 

By the way - Is there a way to adjust the return balance of the output in 7.1.2 in MIR? In the output mic set up there are faders for each channel but I couldn't get it to impact on channel level....I was looking for a way to boost the height channels for example.....

Just to add to my previous post. What I have noticed is the send from the insert plug in is active on all channels. the issue is with MIRs returns. 

I started a new session and imported one stereo file. (I did notice that  some audio files import as dual mono and some as stereo - If the tracks were bounced out of cubase this is a common issue with Cubase to PT output Ive read). Anyway the issue with surround right replicated in this new session. 

I think Im going to bite the bullet and purchase however a few things concern me. Here is my take on it.....

I think compositionally its beneficial to build the composition in the MIR environment as the difference inside these rooms is night and day and I would suggest that if one does,  one is less likely to layer sample libraries to the extent one generally does without MIR. This is a saving on resources so that's good. Nuendo seems to handle those resources in common with most DAWs quite well....

Pro Tools on the other hand is not so great at handling resources. The demo wouldn't play properly at 512 sample buffers on my system. It was fine at 1024 however playback in the system usage meter did hit 100% at one busy passage. This is without the benefit of any other plug ins whatsoever in play and of course in a mix you would be adding stuff.  I don't know enough to understand if MIR works with its own resources independent of the DAW in plug in mode. 

In short its a new dawn - be good if MIR was networkable.....

Anyway Id be interested to know if you find the same issue I have identified in my system with PT and MIR in 7.1.2.

Hi

Im talking about the Pro Tools Binaural test version of Fabios theme....I thought you adapted it - did I get that wrong?

Sorry about the misspelling - I actually typed it right - I think it auto corrected it....

Hi Deitz!

Just checking the Pro Tools 7.1.2 version of this demo. I don't have dear VR so I loaded the session - Updated the IO to my IO. removed Dear VR which reverted it ti my 7.1.2 master buss. Im not getting any Surround Right channel from this mix. (not rear surround right) 

My outputs are functioning - it appears to be missing from the mix?....

No - I meant 7.1.2 versions for those who have larger speaker setups....appreciate the work that went into it

when its purely audio the whole thing is so much easier to manage than the live composition.

Its cleared up a few things for me....

I wish there were more 7.1.2 examples in other rooms. Sounds very good though - Its amazing really when you listen to the source and bypass MIR. Its like turning the Duracell bunny into King Kong....

Hi

Im looking at the demo in Nuendo 12 - Im still finding my Feet in Nuendo - I cant seem to get a plain 7.1.2 output from the session. Ive disengaged the stereo down mix - 1 set up a 7.1.2 group that feeds my outs but obviously Im not doing it right - can you point me in the right direction?

UPDATE : Ive sorted it - listening now.......

appreciate your input 

I'll check that thread in the morning....

Hi

Its definitely me - not you :)

Im building a small session in 7.1.2 using stereo VEP7 and creating stereo inputs in my daw from VEP . Then adding an insert to that return in the daw for MIR Pro which turns each return into a 7.1.2 output. Just a bit concerned about resources. Activity monitor seemed ok at  4 sets. I will continue to build this session as a test to see how far I can go. Nuendo is my biggest draw on resources, suggesting that MIR is using the DAws resources. The MIR app is using very little resources (10% of 64gb ram at most)

At the same time Im doing a comparison with three of my 7.1.2 reverbs using the conventional send and separate return channel for the FX. 

I do question why I would need my instruments to even be in stereo given the fact that Mir takes over positioning responsibility - Mono would be better if possible and also no point having any room mics or internal reverbs within the sample players. 

Given my two machine set up this would appear too be the best setup - would you agree?

Hi Deitz

The venue presets I get.  I can see that one can replicate the environment. I think my workflow issues come before this part of the process. 

I have struggled to find a tutorial that makes sense to me in respect of my multi machine setup. Will play some more.............

Hi

thanks for your reply. 

Generally anyone working on a score is rarely working on a final mix. Its more usual to supply stems that will be adjusted with picture at the final post mix. Just trying to work out a workflow that incorporates anything I want in Nuendo. I myself tend to do my final mixes in Pro tools. 

The thing with something like Mir 3d is the sound of anything in these rooms changes profoundly from the source (in a positive way) giving the option to build ones soundscape during composition, potentially avoiding the need to waste time padding out sample libraries more than one would without this. 

Can I ask how you would employ MIR from within Nuendo/cubase? I usually port everything or groups of same to individual inputs in Nuendo.

Im currently testing MIR Pro 3d within Nuendo in 7.1.2.

Must admit Im struggling with finding a suitable workflow. I use vep7 on the host and a slave machine. It appears that the best way to utilise it is within Nuendo  rather than VEP as both machines return to the DAW in individual inputs in the DAWs mixer.  Processing with the daw means I would only require one purchase of Mir and I can potentially use it on anything. 

In my head there should be a dedicated return from MIR in the Mixer however it seems to work as an inline effect. Its putting me off as I can't see how I can buss out tracks for further mixing on other platforms. 

Im sure its my understanding at fault....but I can't seem to find the best way to use it. 

Just seeing that jpeg is encouraging. I put all these plug ins across a stereo source feeding a 7.1.2 buss and the options end at 7.1. No options for tops...Thats the problem....

please read my post - this is not about MIR.....

HI

The blurb says any surround format up to 12.2 

I can't get anything more than 7.1 out of it any plug in in the suite. Im working in 7.1.2 the standard Dolby Atmos format. Please advise how to achieve this?

bump?

Hi

Ive been away trying to optimise my system with Network specialists re my 10GB Network,  checking many things and also making sure im not losing any packets, Im now getting between 3-7 gb/s speed from my slave machine. I am running about 10 channels of Midi From the Slave in one instance which shows at worst 50 per cent in the instance activity monitor. Im using 7 threads per instance System Activity monitor on the slave is showing VEP sending about 2GB of data and receiving 427Mb and most from the Host. It shows its using 4.77GB of system Memory using 37 threads. 

Im running a much smaller VEP session on the local host too. 1 instance 5 Midi Channels Its sending 15Mb and receiving 19mb on network . Its using 1.74GB of System Memory using 32 threads . In VEP local Im using 10 threads per instance. Instance activity doesnt get above 11 per cent on local host. 

 Logic is using 584 mb of system memory 49 threads. Its sending 475MB down the networks and receiving 1.15gb. I have set Logics buffer to 128 which is not really any good for composing as theres almost a beat delay on input. Playback buffers set to large - low latency toggled on and off makes littele difference. The Slave connection panel in Logic shows 2 buffers and 5.3ms round trip latency. The localhost VEP shows 85.3ms - why that should be so much bigger than the slave which is working far harder i have no idea. CPU in Logic showing 1 processor reasonably busy only 

Mostly this is Kontakt and a few other VIs. I did try synchron and it did perform ok but the size is so much smaller with Epic Orch 2 that im not sure its a good test. 

Its still clicking but much less than it was which I put down to a combination of adjusting Kontakt settings to use more ram, and the 128 buffer . As soon as I add anything now clicking is more frequent and i will need to put back to 64 for composition which is going to make matters worse. All libraies and system in both machines are SSDs. Paul, support have not really been as helpful as I would hope -  so I would be grateful if we can get to the bottom of this performance issue......

Hi Louis

Are you taking playback buffers on logics audio settings or VEP?

Hi

There arent any of those in my system. Downloaded sycron library today will check back when I try ot tomorrow.

I dont have firewalls on in security prefs. which optimisation progs are you referring to?

Makes sense.....Ill download it this morning - run some tests and report back...thanks

I bought these cards last week as I was having these issues with my dedicated 1gbit connection - It was worse with 1 gbit. 

Its not just kontakt , but predominantly....

Ive been looking at Steven Steels video on youtube re Kontakt optimisation and experimenting with the sample buffer. My slave performs better using more Ram so I set it all the way to the right. On bigger sessions that may not work but im nowhere near a big session with this as it is.

I have to admit I havent downloaded epic orch 2.0 as yet. I will do though. 

Im a little concerned Im not getting true 10gigabit through these new cards I have just purchased. Ive sent a variety of test screenshots through to you guys. I have downloaded an app which monitors the level of data through the particular connection live.  Appreciate any reccomendations. Im desperate to nail the workflow with VEP

Hi Paul

Buffer in Logic was 64 - currently trying at 128. Its less playable due to latency at 128 though

Network Buffers in VE Pro on slave and host is 2 buffers. Im using only one instance in each VEpro . On slave the threads are set to 7 of the 8 available in VE prefs. 

The 10gbit connection is a direct one - no router

Hi Paul

Thank you for spotting my error :) Im sure my computer decided to put that not me

Are you referring to VEpro? or buffer sizes on the host sequencer? Im using Avid HD Native card in thr host with a Focusrite Red Pre 16. 

Each machine has a 10Gbit ethernet card solely for VEp connected directly. I have sent loads of screenshots to support of activity monitors - network throuput/monitoring of those ports etc -

David

Hi

I know there are loads of users able to push large amounts of template data from slaves using VEP however I would appreciate some help as I am struggling to get anything useful running without audio clicks.

Master is a Mac 3.2ghz 6 core with 64G Ram - Slave is a Mac 2.9ghz quad core zeon with 48Ghz Ram. The connection between them is a dedicated PCIe card - 10Gigabit Direct link. I have a separated Router link for internet etc. The 10Gbit cards are purely for running VEP.

I was advised to turn off multprocessor settings in Kontakt. This made things worse. I only have a few instances running and im getting clicks etc. I would really appreciate it if someone can share the secret of how this is achievable.....Not enough on this in the manual....