I understand.  It just seems like that's the only instrument I hear something like that and thought it might be something that needs to be addressed.  But thank you for the explanation.  

Steve

I've noticed at higher velocity XFade values it sounds like 2 flutes instead of a single louder flute.  Is this a known issue or just me?  To be more specific I'm loading the Flute 1 PLUS Velocity and Mod patch.  

Steve

I don't know if this is a DAW problem (though I saw it in Studio One and Reaper) or Vienna Ensemble problem, but I'm working on a template and all the instances of the Synchron player keep reloading.  I'm not even sure what I'm doing to reproduce the behavior but it's pretty annoying.  Anything I can look at? 

Steve

I'm on a quest to not only write the best orchestrated music I can (it all starts there right?) but to render my compositions with fullness and clarity and all the desirable qualities one would like from a well mixed live performance.  I'm struggling with a process for mixing.  I think my first decision is mixing everything in the midi domain vs. bouncing everything to audio.  I do have MIR Pro3D (24) which seems designed to negate the need to bounce to audio but I'm not sure.  

What do others do in this situation?  Advantages or disadvantages?  I'm also making the assumption I don't need to render stems for someone else to mix or master.  

Steve

Ok that makes sense and confirms what i'm seeing.  In the meantime I found another helpful thread on volume/expression and how that affects MIR so i'm doing some testing in that regard as well. 

Thanks again for your help. 

Steve

I think I'm getting the hang of it now.  You pointed me in the right direction so I"m observing things now I hadn't paid attention to before. 

My last question would be should I bother using instrument profiles for the Synchronized-SE library?  If I use an instrument profile it brings the natural volume way down as opposed to Cardoid which I think is the default profile when the various instruments load.  

thanks again for your patience.  

Steve

Well in Studio One I don't have that issue.  Everything is as I would expect. 

So I'm going to do a little more experimenting in Dorico which is where I had the problem. 

.Steve

Thank you Dietz.  I'll do some experimenting later today and report back. 

Steve

I must be doing something wrong because the volume of the instruments (individually and collectively) drops nearly in half when they're in my instance of Mir.  And that's with or without an instrument profile.  Is that normal? 

Steve

Oh ok.  I think I've got it now.  I tried what you said and on the face it sounds like it's going to open up several instances of MIR but both instruments in my test song show up in the same venue.  I think I get it now.  Thank you and again it sounds terrific!!

Thank you Dietz.  I do have a couple questions submitted to Personus support so hopefully specifics regarding Studio One will be addressed.  

I guess one question you might be able to answer is generally speaking can one connect multiple instances of the Synchron Player to MIR 3D(24)?  We can start there and that'll let me know where to look next.  

Steve

I bring this confusion on myself for trying to learn too many new things at once, but in my attempt to learn Studio One (primarily for the ease of sound variations), I am confused how MIR 3D fits into all this.  

First of all it seems sound variations aren't supported with VE so I have to open an instance of synchron player for each instrument.  If this is true, does MIR 3D become a plugin on the Main output channel?  I also want to take the time to learn Dorico and I'm guessing I'll run into the same issue there as well.  

Hope this is the right part of the forum.  I didn't see a 'nitwits' section.  

Steve

Got it.  Thank you.  That was the piece I was missing. 

Steve

I upgraded to MIRPro3D(24) and WOW!!  What I'm impressed with is how much clearer the samples sound.  To my ear it's a big difference and I only have the Special Edition samples for the most part.  Excellent job everyone!  

I did notice in the demo it seemed one could bring in a track that was pre-recorded.  There was a vocal track I believe was being moved around the virtual venue.  How do you accomplish that?  

Steve

No that's quite alright.  I just wondered why it wasn't working easily and the sound was strange.  Your answer was very helpful.  

I guess I do have another question.  Can I use MirX mode then?  I see two venues but nothing else appears to be available. 

Steve

Ok.  I never picked up on that before.  That explains quite a bit actually.  Thank you for the explanation.  

Forgive me if this is common knowledge or has been answered somewhere but I couldn't find anything. 

I have Mir24 and have wondered why when I select a synchron player and load an instrument preset the mic preset doesn't get automatically applied as it did with VI instruments? 

Steve

Maybe a picture of Korngold's "studio" would be applicable as an apples to apples comparison (to Williams of course).  

This is interesting to me because I still have MirPro24 but have wondered if that's not necessary any longer if I'm using Synchron player?  I typically load sychron instruments in VE (I guess that's obvious) but have also noticed the level of the instruments is greatly reduced if I do that compared to non-Mir instances.  

Just wondering what others do in this regard.  

Yes thank you for the thoughtful and thorough reply.  One point you made about pushing too much is something I noticed as well and had to find that balance between a healthy volume but not too distorted.  

I'm assuming that if I use Mir generating stems will still retain that stage position and EQ which I'm hesitant to adjust.  I would certainly adjust balance if it's a small tweak but if I find myself adjusting levels too much it means my orchestration doesn't work.  So for these reasons I've stuck with midi, at least for this project.  I may be doing another one similar later and will experiment with stems for that one.  

Thanks again and the piece really sounds great.  

I think this sounds really good.  The brass at the end are a tad "overblown" sounding for my taste but the mix and mastering sound really very good. 

I never thought I'd be asking questions about mixing and mastering but wondered for mixing if you leave your tracks as midi or create stems/audio tracks and mix those? 

I find myself needing a recording as the output of a big project is why I'm asking.  Never been concerned about anything other than the printed output before so I'm a bit lost although it's somehow kind of fun. 

EDIT: Was there a target volume (LUFs) you were shooting for in mastering or just what sounded best?  Forgive the naive question but again I've never even given these things a thought. 

I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this but here's the brief scenario:

Finale orchestral piece composed with Noteperformer, exported midi and tempo map file to Reaper to then apply VSL SE libraries.  However in a couple cases I prefer some of the Noteperformer sounds to add more presence so I export audio of just those tracks and import in the Reaper project as well. 

However the two become out of sync part way into the piece and I don't understand why since they all originate from the same finale file.  The only thing I can think is VSL and Noteperformer have different time sync clocks but have no idea where to look or how to make everything match. 

Does anyone else do this or have ideas on making this work?  Any help would be much appreciated. 

Aah ok.  I guess I misunderstood what velocity Fade is then.  I thought that's how you changed timbres of instruments. 

Thank you for the feedback.  Glad to hear I'm on the right track then and from someone who knows what they're doing!!  

I'll explore some of the other CC's as well.  I didn't notice CC1 was available to me in the SE volumes but thought CC2 changed the timbre.  Anyway ultimately I'm trying to just let my ear guide me and focusing on sound orchestration but I am finding rendering the results as if real players are playing it quite challenging.  

Thanks again for the feedback.